Ed Givens.

On 2 Dec 2003 22:40:10 GMT, Andrew Gray
wrote:

In article , JimO wrote:

Please fill us in on the argument. My impression had always been
that he
drove into a ditch in Kemah while returning home from a party.
What's the
other version?

I would guess "He drove into a ditch in Kemah whilst returning home
from
a party, but they should have put him on, damnit" or something to
that
effect.

He tanked up with Hi-Octane, went ballistic and discovered the
terminal velocity of a Volkswagen?


-Rusty Barton

Reading the full story in the book, it says that Givens had not been
drinking that night, and was not speeding in the car.

However I do now concede that maybe there has to be a limit on who
should and should not be listed on the space mirror and as such, that Ed
Givens name should not be put on the mirror. Should his name be put on the
mirror then that would be just cause to put Henize, Hilliard, etc on there
as well.

It would be sad that he be known for dying in an alcohol related
accident, when if this book is correct, that is an unjust assumption.

Adam.


"Rusty B" wrote in message
om...


He tanked up with Hi-Octane, went ballistic and discovered the
terminal velocity of a Volkswagen?


-Rusty Barton

Reading the full story in the book, it says that Givens had not been
drinking that night, and was not speeding in the car.

However I do now concede that maybe there has to be a limit on who
should and should not be listed on the space mirror and as such, that Ed
Givens name should not be put on the mirror. Should his name be put on the
mirror then that would be just cause to put Henize, Hilliard, etc on there
as well.

It would be sad that he be known for dying in an alcohol related
accident, when if this book is correct, that is an unjust assumption.

Adam.


"Rusty B" wrote in message
om...


He tanked up with Hi-Octane, went ballistic and discovered the
terminal velocity of a Volkswagen?


-Rusty Barton

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:08:34 -0000, "adam bootle"
wrote:


It would be sad that he be known for dying in an alcohol related
accident, when if this book is correct, that is an unjust assumption.



According to his NASA bio, Ed Givens logged more than 3,500 hours
flight time; 2,800 hours in jet craft.

He graduated from the USAF Experimental Flight Test Pilot School at
Edwards Air Force Base, California.

He was then an instructor in the Stability and Control Section.

He graduated from the USAF Aerospace Research Pilot School.

At Pt. Mugu Naval Air Station, California he was responsible for
compiling and developing the operation procedures and tactics for
fleet operation of the F8U-2N.

You have to admit it seems a little odd with all the above experience,
after leaving a party, he couldn't control a Volkswagen on a curve.



- Rusty Barton

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:08:34 -0000, "adam bootle"
wrote:


It would be sad that he be known for dying in an alcohol related
accident, when if this book is correct, that is an unjust assumption.



According to his NASA bio, Ed Givens logged more than 3,500 hours
flight time; 2,800 hours in jet craft.

He graduated from the USAF Experimental Flight Test Pilot School at
Edwards Air Force Base, California.

He was then an instructor in the Stability and Control Section.

He graduated from the USAF Aerospace Research Pilot School.

At Pt. Mugu Naval Air Station, California he was responsible for
compiling and developing the operation procedures and tactics for
fleet operation of the F8U-2N.

You have to admit it seems a little odd with all the above experience,
after leaving a party, he couldn't control a Volkswagen on a curve.



- Rusty Barton

"Rusty Barton" wrote ...

You have to admit it seems a little odd with all the above experience,
after leaving a party, he couldn't control a Volkswagen on a curve.

There have been study(ies)* indicating that skilled drivers can make the
worst drivers. To be more accurate, that racing drivers and such with
experience and skills relevant to fast driving and with good reflexes
'push the envelope' when driving in normal situations.

It's all part of the general trend of pushing things to the level of perceived
danger that you find acceptable. The same principle has been implicated
in a tendency to more careless / dangerous driving associated with
improved car safety measures.

* Those paying attention will now guess this post is based on half-
remembered articles from a couple of magazines. ;-)

"Rusty Barton" wrote ...

You have to admit it seems a little odd with all the above experience,
after leaving a party, he couldn't control a Volkswagen on a curve.

There have been study(ies)* indicating that skilled drivers can make the
worst drivers. To be more accurate, that racing drivers and such with
experience and skills relevant to fast driving and with good reflexes
'push the envelope' when driving in normal situations.

It's all part of the general trend of pushing things to the level of perceived
danger that you find acceptable. The same principle has been implicated
in a tendency to more careless / dangerous driving associated with
improved car safety measures.

* Those paying attention will now guess this post is based on half-
remembered articles from a couple of magazines. ;-)

Ed Givens.

Perhaps there should be a adjacent memorial for those who died while working on
the space program.

People like Givens, pad rats who died in work accidents etc. They shouldnt be
forgotten......

Ed Givens.

Perhaps there should be a adjacent memorial for those who died while working on
the space program.

People like Givens, pad rats who died in work accidents etc. They shouldnt be
forgotten......

"Hallerb" wrote in message
...
People like Givens, pad rats who died in work accidents etc. They shouldnt
be
forgotten......

Unfortunately for you, my question won't be forgotten, either. Why are you
having such a hard time providing the research you did *before* posting
about NASA management? Could it be you didn't do any then and are hoping
that, once again, others will do it for you?
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