Every action has equal & opposite reaction?

Double -A Very Very good I did a What if in my other group on what you
just posted. Like gravity can't be detected in a Planck length. It was
title "What if on ultra short distances" I got an email on it from
Russia on it Go figure bert

On Jul 3, 12:32*pm, Double-A wrote, replying to
oc:

The 'pull' force is entirely a pseudo or fictitious force, i.e.,
'suction'. It's the same as the much-touted Bernoulli effect above an
aircraft wing "pulling" the wing up. The *real* force is the push of
the wind against the sail and the push of the airstream against the
bottom of the plane's wing. In both cases, Newton explains the cause,
Bernoulli describes the (perceived) effect.

Thing is though, whether push or pull, all forces on the micro level
are actions at a distance.

Under the FS model of gravity, it's entirely "push" all the way down
to the core of the atomic nucleus. Herein lies unification of gravity
and the strong nuclear force, as discussed many times in relation to
the Casimir effect. "Action at a distance" is itself a pseudo force.
Picture a rubber ducky floating in a bathtub while the tub is
draining. It might appear that 'action at a distance' is pulling him
toward the drain. But it is a push, not a pull.

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote...
in message ...

Timber If I did not make myself clear I apologize. If I'm talking over
you head I will still apologise for it is never my intent to hurt a
persons feelings. I can't help it if you have a low IQ,or are a dim
wit. I have taken a very unpopular view I know that. Still Im running
pretty good with it. It is in reality an exercise in thinking,and having
the great minds of Painius and oc posting and being to kind to call me a
idiot as I frustrate them shows how nice they are,two of my dearest
virtual friends always Bert

You playin' wif me, Bert?

I'll ne'er speaka to you again!

(Till nexx time)

Is there such a thing as ... "time"?

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starry starry nights!

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Painius I'm as serious as I can get after two 6 packs of Bud light. The
4th is one of my best holidays,and best excuse for drinking to much.
Glad the word "push" is being used a lot because that is the real reason
the rocket's engine is doing its job of pushing the rocket forward.
Playing a mind game with you oc and Double-A like all games are fun when
played fairly on a level playing field. Did any one figure out what
can lift itself of the ground with only an internal force? No outside
push or pull needed I think as I got older I got where I like to
argue,and really don't care which side I'm on You see Painius
Newtons thoughts can be challenged. Einstein knew that Best to keep
in mind Newton like particles better than waves,and yet Bert

Time is real and it has 5 arrows,and one of the arrows is pointed in the
opposite direction Bert

On Jul 4, 6:52 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Did any one figure out what
can lift itself of the ground with only an internal force? No outside
push or pull needed.

Inertial propulsion or reactionless drives are in the same realm as
'perpetual motion' machines. No matter how cleverly crafted or
portrayed, the concept ends up violating conservation of momentum.
F'reggzample, see -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_propulsion_engine

You see
Newtons thoughts can be challenged. Einstein knew that Best to keep
in mind Newton liked particles better than waves, and yet... (hic).

"oldcoot" wrote in message...
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On Jul 4, 6:52 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Did any one figure out what
can lift itself of the ground with only an internal force? No outside
push or pull needed.

Inertial propulsion or reactionless drives are in the same realm as
'perpetual motion' machines. No matter how cleverly crafted or
portrayed, the concept ends up violating conservation of momentum.
F'reggzample, see -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_propulsion_engine

Mebbe Bert's talkin' about... plants?

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starry starry nights!

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OK guys best I tell you what can do this,for I have to do what Cactus
Saul so rightly pointed out(short posts are best) and I have been doing
the 4th on boiler makers. Mother nature made Mexican jumping beans(I
bought them as a kid. They were fun to watch. Inside was a tiny white
worm. It was a clever worm and never heard about Newton's laws. In the
darkness of this inclosed shell it knew which side was up.and its put
energy on that up side and took the shell with him. Best not to argue
with mother nature Bert

Yeah Bert, but suspend the Mexican jumping bean in free space. How's
it going to "jump"? :-) Reactionless drives have to be able to work in
free space, out of any contact with air, water, or the ground. So
far, none have ever panned out because there was always sumpin' for
them to react 'against', like the jumping bean sittin' on the ground.

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote...
in message ...

OK guys best I tell you what can do this,for I have to do what Cactus
Saul so rightly pointed out(short posts are best) and I have been doing
the 4th on boiler makers. Mother nature made Mexican jumping beans(I
bought them as a kid. They were fun to watch. Inside was a tiny white
worm. It was a clever worm and never heard about Newton's laws. In the
darkness of this inclosed shell it knew which side was up.and its put
energy on that up side and took the shell with him. Best not to argue
with mother nature Bert

No argument there, Bert...

http://waynesword.palomar.edu/plaug97.htm

"Probably the most interesting thing about Mexican jumping
bean shrubs are the remarkable 'beans' that jerk and roll
about with seemingly perpetual motion. It is doubtful (or
very rare) that they actually "jump" above the surface of
the ground, but they can certainly roll and tumble along in
different directions.

Just as pineapples are not apples and peanuts are not nuts,
the jumping bean is not a bean, nor is it a seed. It is
actually a small, thin-shelled section of a seed capsule
containing the larva of a small gray moth called the jumping
bean moth (Laspeyresia saltitans). After consuming the
seed within the capsule section, the robust, yellowish-white
larva has the peculiar habit of throwing itself forcibly from
one wall to the other, thereby causing the jumping
movements of the capsule.

Mexican jumping bean capsules typically separate into three
parts or sections, some of which contain a moth larva. It is
these separate sections (technically called carpels) that are
sold as 'jumping beans'."

Nothing that breaks Newton's laws here. This is akin to
being inside a large, flexible ball and causing it to roll all
over the place. Or rolling all over in a large innertube.

And there's no going "up"! Mexican jumping beans can
roll all over the place, but they don't leave the ground.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

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