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The stars in the heavens - God promise to Abraham
On Jul 28, 10:46 am, "Chris.B" wrote:
---snip--- It may have been the chance occurrence of two customers requiring completely opposite prescription simultaneously which finally lead to the discovery of the "Galilean" telescope. It should not be underestimated how difficult it really is to invent a useful telescope even by complete chance. Hi Even a Galilean telescope would be hard to use. The negative lens creates quite a bit of vinetting. It wasn't all that practical. It would be especially difficult to do a star survey with such a poor field of view. Dwight |
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On Jul 28, 11:25*pm, "
wrote: Hi *Even a Galilean telescope would be hard to use. The negative lens creates quite a bit of vignetting. It wasn't all that practical. It would be especially difficult to do a star survey with such a poor field of view. Dwight Even the practice of holding a lens up to the eye and another at arms length is a learned procedure and assumes a fairly precise matching pair of very different lenses of high polish and reasonable clarity. Without the expectation of something useful happening why would one even try one lens against another? Consider the global rarity of useful lenses in the past and the chances of prior invention become vanishingly small. I watched 10,000BC last night and was amused to see a telescope being used by the high priest to view Orion to confirm the "shape" of the constellation. Ironic that they were able to recognise the shape in the scars on the hand of a slave girl but still needed to view the sacred constellation to refresh their memories. It seems Hollywood has yet to discover the basics of the practical telescope and its use in astronomy. Another case of childishly "bad science" in popular entertainment and quite unnecessary IMO. |
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Interesting post. Thank you.
Two positive lenses make an inverted telescope image with lots of false colour fringes. Surely even if inverted and fuzzy it could still be used for simple astronomy . .. Had the all-powerful clergy been asked to examine any new invention torture and murder is sure to have followed swiftly to close any wormhole towards enlightenment, education and progress. Clergy were not always like that. Even in Galileo's time. .. You might find this page interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Lippershey |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:27:08 +1000, SolomonW
wrote: The bible maybe that but it also has history and science in it too. There is so little "science" as to say none. As far as history... well, you have such a mix of fiction and distortion that trying to extract reliable history is a huge problem, full of uncertainty and ambiguity. It provides hints to our distant past, but not much more than that. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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Chris.B wrote:
I watched 10,000BC last night and was amused to see a telescope being used by the high priest to view Orion to confirm the "shape" of the constellation. Orion's so big if you look at it through a telescope, you can't see it! -- JGH |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:18 -0400, Pastor Dave
wrote: You assume it's a fable. There's no rational reason to assume otherwise. Of course, much mythology can be assumed related to real events, but the historical evidence may well be so thin that the truth cannot be separated from the fiction. That's certainly the case with much of the OT. These writings can sometimes be used in conjunction with independent sources to provide historical insights. But no story in the OT, taken by itself, should be considered an accurate description of a real event. And there is no shortage of obvious fiction (voices from burning bushes, people turned into pillars of salt, frogs raining from the sky, Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, fiery chariots in the sky, the Flood, the origin of languages, the Sun standing still... the list is a long one). A religious person can take whatever they want from the OT. An historian needs to be very careful. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:39:07 -0600, Chris L Peterson
spake thusly: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:18 -0400, Pastor Dave wrote: You assume it's a fable. There's no rational reason to assume otherwise. That is a claim, not proof. Again, enjoy assuming yourself to be God and that rational thought is only what you define it to be. You go ahead and believe that dead chemicals came to life all on their own, even though that's impossible and cannot be tested, nor proved and then keep telling us how what you believe is "rational". (: -- When blondes have more fun, do they know it? ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:54:09 -0400, Pastor Dave
wrote: You go ahead and believe that dead chemicals came to life all on their own... I don't believe that. The chemicals are still dead. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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Also even if such an ancient telescope existed, the number of stars you can see is still only in the tens of thousands. Unless you know that a star can be a galaxy. Any thoughts? Ya God was jerking Abes chain. God was a liar. And none of that ever happened! |
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