Moscow...we have a problem.

http://www.space.com/13554-russia-ma...t-failure.html

Hoping for best.
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in message
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http://www.space.com/13554-russia-ma...t-failure.html

Hoping for best.
Ken


Aww. So the Great Martian Ghoul got cheated out of a Russian dinner....

"Matt Wiser" wrote in message
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"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in message
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http://www.space.com/13554-russia-ma...t-failure.html

Hoping for best.
Ken


Aww. So the Great Martian Ghoul got cheated out of a Russian dinner....


Or else his reach now extends all the way to Earth...
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."

" Aww. So the Great Martian Ghoul got cheated out of a Russian dinner....


Or else his reach now extends all the way to Earth...
--

In response to an on-line petition the Obama White House just told us that
there are no extraterrestrials living among us - Maybe they lied? Martian
Ghouls no less. I aways figured its was Glondorx the Martian junk dealer who
sold the stuff for scrap- but failure in Earth orbit puts a whole new aspect
on this.

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in message
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http://www.space.com/13554-russia-ma...t-failure.html

Hoping for best.
Ken

It's scary - one article said that the Russian tracking system is limited
and they needed help from amateur astronomers in South America to help them
locate the spacecraft. Sounds like something out of a juvinile Science
Fiction Novel - Tom Swift and his Fabulous Telescope Saves the Russian Space
Probe.


Val Kraut

Val Kraut wrote:
It's scary - one article said that the Russian tracking system is
limited and they needed help from amateur astronomers in South
America to help them locate the spacecraft. Sounds like something
out of a juvinile Science Fiction Novel - Tom Swift and his Fabulous
Telescope Saves the Russian Space Probe.

Doesn't China have an up-and-coming tracking system? They just added
(or it was just announced they would add) a node in Australia, and
this article:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Ch...ort_ 999.html

suggests they have one in Chile. Perhaps the Chinese can assist in
saving their hitchhiker? Assuming the Russians are unable to address
the problems with the probe, how long before we hear "Hit the grunt,
the Russians are coming?" as it comes back to Earth?

rick jones
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feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...

On Nov 9, 10:33*am, Rick Jones wrote:
Val Kraut wrote:
It's scary - one article said that the Russian tracking system is
limited and they needed help from amateur astronomers in South
America to help them locate the spacecraft. Sounds like something
out of a juvinile Science Fiction Novel - Tom Swift and his Fabulous
Telescope Saves the Russian Space Probe.

Doesn't China have an up-and-coming tracking system? *They just added
(or it was just announced they would add) a node in Australia, and
this article:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Ch...pace_tracking_...

suggests they have one in Chile. *Perhaps the Chinese can assist in
saving their hitchhiker? *Assuming the Russians are unable to address
the problems with the probe, how long before we hear "Hit the grunt,
the Russians are coming?" as it comes back to Earth?


Sigh. If only Shuttle were still flying. This would have made a
fabulous rescue mission, if the Russians flight controllers could use
the thrusters on the spacecraft itself to keep it in orbit for about 6
months while astronauts and cosmonauts train for the rescue and the
equipment and procedures are put together like was done with the
LEASAT F3 during STS-51-I in August of 1985 after that satellite was
stranded in April of that same year.
-Mike

On 11/09/2011 10:18 PM, Mike DiCenso wrote:
On Nov 9, 10:33 am, Rick wrote:
Val wrote:
It's scary - one article said that the Russian tracking system is
limited and they needed help from amateur astronomers in South
America to help them locate the spacecraft. Sounds like something
out of a juvinile Science Fiction Novel - Tom Swift and his Fabulous
Telescope Saves the Russian Space Probe.

Doesn't China have an up-and-coming tracking system? They just added
(or it was just announced they would add) a node in Australia, and
this article:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Ch...pace_tracking_...

suggests they have one in Chile. Perhaps the Chinese can assist in
saving their hitchhiker? Assuming the Russians are unable to address
the problems with the probe, how long before we hear "Hit the grunt,
the Russians are coming?" as it comes back to Earth?


Sigh. If only Shuttle were still flying. This would have made a
fabulous rescue mission, if the Russians flight controllers could use
the thrusters on the spacecraft itself to keep it in orbit for about 6
months while astronauts and cosmonauts train for the rescue and the
equipment and procedures are put together like was done with the
LEASAT F3 during STS-51-I in August of 1985 after that satellite was
stranded in April of that same year.
-Mike

Even if the shuttle were still flying we wouldn't have done it. Risky to
do EVA on it since it was never designed to be EVA-serviceable, way too
risky to return it to Earth, couldn't be done within this Mars launch
window (and wouldn't hold out long enough for the next one).

And finally, even if all of the above wasn't true, the Russians could
build and launch another one for less than the cost of the shuttle mission.

STS-125 was a unique one-shot post-Columbia non-ISS mission, made
possible only by HST's iconic status and the US's huge investment in it.
No way the US government would green-light a far riskier mission for a
non-US probe.

In article 0ea3c5d9-2e7f-491a-9454-84328e02c238
@j19g2000pro.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 9, 10:33*am, Rick Jones wrote:
Val Kraut wrote:
It's scary - one article said that the Russian tracking system is
limited and they needed help from amateur astronomers in South
America to help them locate the spacecraft. Sounds like something
out of a juvinile Science Fiction Novel - Tom Swift and his Fabulous
Telescope Saves the Russian Space Probe.

Doesn't China have an up-and-coming tracking system? *They just added
(or it was just announced they would add) a node in Australia, and
this article:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Ch...pace_tracking_...

suggests they have one in Chile. *Perhaps the Chinese can assist in
saving their hitchhiker? *Assuming the Russians are unable to address
the problems with the probe, how long before we hear "Hit the grunt,
the Russians are coming?" as it comes back to Earth?

Sigh. If only Shuttle were still flying. This would have made a
fabulous rescue mission, if the Russians flight controllers could use
the thrusters on the spacecraft itself to keep it in orbit for about 6
months while astronauts and cosmonauts train for the rescue and the
equipment and procedures are put together like was done with the
LEASAT F3 during STS-51-I in August of 1985 after that satellite was
stranded in April of that same year.
-Mike

I call B.S. on this. The Russians only have a few days before the orbit
decays. When Columbia's TPS was damaged, NASA couldn't have launched a
rescue mission in time to save them, and they had many more days of
consumables than the Russians have days before their probe's orbit
decays.

You can't turn the shuttle into some mythical vehicle that could do
anything it wanted to. The fact is it took NASA a long time to process
a shuttle and launch it.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:38:33 -0500, Jeff Findley
wrote:

I call B.S. on this. The Russians only have a few days before the orbit
decays. When Columbia's TPS was damaged, NASA couldn't have launched a
rescue mission in time to save them, and they had many more days of
consumables than the Russians have days before their probe's orbit
decays.

I think the CAIB determined a Shuttle rescue mission for STS-107 was
possible, but was right at the razor's edge of being possible. Does
anyone really not think the folks at KSC, JSC, and MSFC would have
moved heaven and earth to get Atlantis off the pad in time? They would
have even had retired Shuttle engineeers and techs coming to the gates
volunteering to help.

Brian