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On Jun 3, 6:07 am, PD wrote:
On Jun 2, 3:22 am, saul wrote: You just listed an aether theory that explains quite a lot: GR + standard model. One can call this an aether theory because it prescribes physical quantities to empty space. That was Einstein's criteria for an aether theory and he considered his theory of GR to be an aether theory for this reason. The "standard model" of quantum mechanics is also an aether theory for the same reason, describing empty space with detailed physical quantities. This is I suppose defensible in some abstract way as long as "medium" is defined in an unconventional way. However, then there is no measurable distinction between "empty space" and "medium", as there is no evidence of empty-space-without-physical-properties. Your ‘no measurable distinction between “empty space” and “medium”’ reflects your level of technology. Only when you know where to look for this medium, you will find it. Otherwise, stay mystified. shrug |
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in optics, the index of refraction of he atmosphere
is often taken to be one, the same as "free space," and it is merely a heuristic. all of the main properties of interstellar plasma have been elucidated in the Alfven school, and cosmology. |
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On Jun 3, 6:21*pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On Jun 3, 6:07 am, PD wrote: On Jun 2, 3:22 am, saul wrote: You just listed an aether theory that explains quite a lot: *GR + standard model. One can call this an aether theory because it prescribes physical quantities to empty space. *That was Einstein's criteria for an aether theory and he considered his theory of GR to be an aether theory for this reason. *The "standard model" of quantum mechanics is also an aether theory for the same reason, describing empty space with detailed physical quantities. This is I suppose defensible in some abstract way as long as "medium" is defined in an unconventional way. However, then there is no measurable distinction between "empty space" and "medium", as there is no evidence of empty-space-without-physical-properties. Your ‘no measurable distinction between “empty space” and “medium”’ reflects your level of technology. *Only when you know where to look for this medium, you will find it. Do tell. Also tell me where to find empty space without this medium in it. *Otherwise, stay mystified. shrug |
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On Jun 4, 5:20*am, PD wrote:
On Jun 3, 6:21*pm, Koobee Wublee wrote: On Jun 3, 6:07 am, PD wrote: On Jun 2, 3:22 am, saul wrote: You just listed an aether theory that explains quite a lot: *GR + standard model. One can call this an aether theory because it prescribes physical quantities to empty space. *That was Einstein's criteria for an aether theory and he considered his theory of GR to be an aether theory for this reason. *The "standard model" of quantum mechanics is also an aether theory for the same reason, describing empty space with detailed physical quantities. This is I suppose defensible in some abstract way as long as "medium" is defined in an unconventional way. However, then there is no measurable distinction between "empty space" and "medium", as there is no evidence of empty-space-without-physical-properties. Your ‘no measurable distinction between “empty space” and “medium”’ reflects your level of technology. *Only when you know where to look for this medium, you will find it. Do tell. 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hu...g_feature.html "Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The 'ripple' is a gravitational wave. The 'ripple' is an aether displacement wave. The above is physical evidence of a moving 'particle' having an associated aether displacement wave. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...lit-experiment "Intriguingly, the trajectories closely match those predicted by an unconventional interpretation of quantum mechanics known as pilot-wave theory, in which each particle has a well-defined trajectory that takes it through one slit while the associated wave passes through both slits. The traditional interpretation of quantum mechanics, known as the Copenhagen interpretation, dismisses the notion of trajectories, and maintains that it is meaningless to ask what value a variable, such as momentum, has if that's not what is being measured." In a double slit experiment, the particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. It is the associated aether displacement wave which enters and exits both slits. The aether displacement wave creates wave interference upon exiting the slits. As the particle exits a singel slit, it is this interference which alters the direction the particle travels. Detecting the particle causes a loss of coherence of the associated aether displacement wave, there is no wave interference, and the direction the particle travels is not altered. The aether is detected every time a double slit experiment is performed. Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Aether is not at rest when displaced. Displaced aether exerts force towards matter. Force exerted towards matter by aether displaced by matter is gravity. Aether Displacement explains why the shape of the Milky Way's 'dark matter' is in the shape of a squished beach ball. 'Dark Halo Around Our Galaxy Looks Like Squished Beach Ball' http://www.space.com/7746-dark-halo-...each-ball.html "Dark matter seems to shroud the remaining visible matter in giant spheres called haloes." The Milky Way's halo is displaced aether. "But the new study found that the Milky Way's halo isn't exactly spherical, but squished. In fact, its beach-ball form is flattened in a surprising direction perpendicular to the galaxy's visible, pancake- shaped spiral disk." All of the aether displaced by the Milky Way matter exerts force towards the matter. The force exerted towards the matter by the aether displaced perpendicular to the plane of the galaxy's spiral disk offset. It is the aether which is displaced outward relative to the plane of the spiral disk which exerts force towards the center of the galaxy. This forces the matter closer together which results in the displaced aether looking like a squished beach ball. Matter does not move with dark matter. Matter moves through the aether. 'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies' http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...739.x/abstract "We compile a sample of 38 galaxy clusters which have both X-ray and strong lensing observations, and study for each cluster the projected offset between the dominant component of baryonic matter centre (measured by X-rays) and the gravitational centre (measured by strong lensing). Among the total sample, 45 per cent clusters have offsets [greater than]10 arcsec. The [greater than]10 arcsec separations are significant, considering the arcsecond precision in the measurement of the lensing/X-ray centres. This suggests that it might be a common phenomenon in unrelaxed galaxy clusters that gravitational field is separated spatially from the dominant component of baryonic matter. It also has consequences for lensing models of unrelaxed clusters since the gas mass distribution may differ from the dark matter distribution and give perturbations to the modelling. Such offsets can be used as a statistical tool for comparison with the results of Lambda cold dark matter ( CDM) simulations and to test the modified dynamics." The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving with respect to the state of the aether. Also tell me where to find empty space without this medium in it. Aether exists where matter does not. Aether exists where particles of matter do not. As far as we know, there is no space, nor any part of three dimensional space, devoid of aether and matter. As far as we know, there is no space, nor any part of three dimensional space, devoid of mass. |
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in other words, "free space" is merely a heuristic,
an approximation to Pascal's putative discovery of an absolute vacuum in a really big test-tube (the maximum stage of a suction pump .-) |
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On Jun 4, 9:27*am, mpc755 wrote:
Aether exists where matter does not. Aether exists where particles of matter do not. As far as we know, there is no space, nor any part of three dimensional space, devoid of aether and matter. As far as we know, there is no space, nor any part of three dimensional space, devoid of mass. Thus, were it possible somehow to pump all aether from space, THAT would represent a "true" vacuum. If we think about this a bit, we can understand that IF we created a true vacuum, it would have several properties. One such would be that waves of any kind could not be transmitted through this vacuum. Unlike the logical failure of modern physics which asserts nonsense like waves traveling without any medium or "characteristics" (fields) existing without anything which possesses the characteristics, a true vacuum would not transmit waves nor have any properties like normal space. This is why Einstein noted that empty space is "aether" precisely because it DOES have properties. However, we can also note that particles can indeed travel through a true vacuum with no logical contradictions. So the only question that remains for the "ultimate" experiment needed to demonstrate Aether would be the creation of such a "true vacuum". How to do this is not presently known in the unclassified world, but I suggest that it probably would take some kind of electromagnetic pumping system. Probably not so simple as "nature abhors a 'true' vacuum". |
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On Jul 7, 9:32*am, Byron Forbes wrote:
In article 602c355c-e9af-45ac-ae50-0bfaa8ba4533 @j31g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... On Jun 5, 4:00*pm, Benj wrote: On Jun 4, 9:27*am, mpc755 wrote: Aether exists where matter does not. Aether exists where particles of matter do not. As far as we know, there is no space, nor any part of three dimensional space, devoid of aether and matter. As far as we know, there is no space, nor any part of three dimensional space, devoid of mass. Thus, were it possible somehow to pump all aether from space, THAT would represent a "true" vacuum. If we think about this a bit, we can understand that IF we created a true vacuum, it would have several properties. One such would be that waves of any kind could not be transmitted through this vacuum. Unlike the logical failure of modern physics which asserts nonsense like waves traveling without any medium or "characteristics" (fields) existing without anything which possesses the characteristics, a true vacuum would not transmit waves nor have any properties like normal space. This is why Einstein noted that empty space is "aether" precisely because it DOES have properties. *However, we can also note that particles can indeed travel through a true vacuum with no logical contradictions. So the only question that remains for the "ultimate" experiment needed to demonstrate Aether would be the creation of such a "true vacuum". How to do this is not presently known in the unclassified world, but I suggest that it probably would take some kind of electromagnetic pumping system. Probably not so simple as "nature abhors a 'true' vacuum". There is already an overabundance of evidence of the aether. * * * * The most overwhelming kindergarten level evidence of aether is as follows - * * * * Phonons (matter and sound waves) and photons both have wave nature. The likelihood that they are entirely different i.e. one is energy traveling thru a medium and the other is something particulate (photon) traveling thru nothing (vacuum), is absurd! * * * * This is why this "aether" argument has raged on for centuries and will continue to do so until it is found. Dark matter/energy is the same thing. * * * * It is typical of humans to deny the existence of that they have no awareness of - like atheists and the gods. If they could get the kindergarten logic above thru their heads then we may have more "scientists" looking in the right directions! What waves in a double slit experiment is the ether of relativity. |
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On Jul 7, 9:32*am, Byron Forbes wrote:
In article 602c355c-e9af-45ac-ae50-0bfaa8ba4533 @j31g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... On Jun 5, 4:00*pm, Benj wrote: On Jun 4, 9:27*am, mpc755 wrote: Aether exists where matter does not. Aether exists where particles of matter do not. As far as we know, there is no space, nor any part of three dimensional space, devoid of aether and matter. As far as we know, there is no space, nor any part of three dimensional space, devoid of mass. Thus, were it possible somehow to pump all aether from space, THAT would represent a "true" vacuum. If we think about this a bit, we can understand that IF we created a true vacuum, it would have several properties. One such would be that waves of any kind could not be transmitted through this vacuum. Unlike the logical failure of modern physics which asserts nonsense like waves traveling without any medium or "characteristics" (fields) existing without anything which possesses the characteristics, a true vacuum would not transmit waves nor have any properties like normal space. This is why Einstein noted that empty space is "aether" precisely because it DOES have properties. *However, we can also note that particles can indeed travel through a true vacuum with no logical contradictions. So the only question that remains for the "ultimate" experiment needed to demonstrate Aether would be the creation of such a "true vacuum". How to do this is not presently known in the unclassified world, but I suggest that it probably would take some kind of electromagnetic pumping system. Probably not so simple as "nature abhors a 'true' vacuum". There is already an overabundance of evidence of the aether. * * * * The most overwhelming kindergarten level evidence of aether is as follows - * * * * Phonons (matter and sound waves) and photons both have wave nature. The likelihood that they are entirely different i.e. one is energy traveling thru a medium and the other is something particulate (photon) traveling thru nothing (vacuum), is absurd! * * * * This is why this "aether" argument has raged on for centuries and will continue to do so until it is found. Dark matter/energy is the same thing. * * * * It is typical of humans to deny the existence of that they have no awareness of - like atheists and the gods. If they could get the kindergarten logic above thru their heads then we may have more "scientists" looking in the right directions! What waves in a double slit experiment is the ether of relativity. |
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Atlas frugged!
Your ‘no measurable distinction between “empty space” and “medium”’ reflects your level of technology. |
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