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Old May 24th 11, 09:55 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math,sci.astro
Koobee Wublee
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On May 24, 1:21 pm, Marc Fleury wrote:

The whole point of SR is that you cannot detect absolute
time through space.


That is correct. That is why SR manifests the twins’ paradox. It is
a paradox. It does not represent reality. It must be wrong. shrug

Larmor was the first who proposed the Lorentz transform. However, his
version is slightly different. In Larmor’s transform, one of the two
observers must be the absolute frame of reference. The quantity ‘v’
in the transform is the absolute speed of the observer. To include
another observer, Larmor’s transform must go through this absolute
frame of reference where the absolute speed of each observer becomes
ever so essential. Larmor’s transform in general does not satisfy the
principle of relativity.

In a very special case where both observers are moving in parallel
with speeds relative to the absolute frame of reference, the absolute
frame of reference vanishes. The quantity ‘v’ can now be expressed
with the relative speed of the two observers. The principle of
relativity only holds for this very special case. Not knowing this as
a special case, Poincare assumed the validity in the Lorentz
transform. The Lorentz transform was created with no physical basis
of any validity. It is a Frankenstein in the making. shrug


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Old May 25th 11, 12:35 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math,sci.astro
Sam Wormley[_2_]
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On 5/24/11 3:55 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On May 24, 1:21 pm, Marc wrote:

The whole point of SR is that you cannot detect absolute
time through space.


That is correct. That is why SR manifests the twins’ paradox. It is
a paradox. It does not represent reality. It must be wrong.shrug



The Twin Paradox for Koobee Wublee, shown graphically so he can "get it"
http://www.phys.vt.edu/~takeuchi/rel...section15.html
http://www.phys.vt.edu/~takeuchi/rel...notes/twin.gif
 




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