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Hondurans Get Their Moonrock Back
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From James Oberg:
see http://www.msnbc.com/news/970313.asp?0dm=C26AT Quotes from article: "He was given the plaque...at a Denny's restaurant..." (Alan's order: I'll have the Grand Slam with a side of Selene Breccia.) "U.S. regulations prohibit private ownership of Apollo lunar samples" I know of at least one ex-NASA person with a privately owned moonrock. It was a small sample encased in the "standard" lucite ball mounted on an unassuming dark wood trophy-type base. In a recent conversation I had with Jack Schmitt, I asked him whether he has any lunar samples. His face took on a perturbed expression and he denied having anything. The point I was getting at was that it would be neat for those who had been there to get at least a little pebble, especially the geologist! It would have been nice if Alan Rosen got his moonrock back. When a private citizen takes something that doesn't belong to them, it's called "stealing". When a government takes something, it's called "confiscation". Sad to see one more effort toward "privatization of space" getting thwarted by the government. ~ CT |
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From James Oberg:
see http://www.msnbc.com/news/970313.asp?0dm=C26AT Quotes from article: "He was given the plaque...at a Denny's restaurant..." (Alan's order: I'll have the Grand Slam with a side of Selene Breccia.) "U.S. regulations prohibit private ownership of Apollo lunar samples" I know of at least one ex-NASA person with a privately owned moonrock. It was a small sample encased in the "standard" lucite ball mounted on an unassuming dark wood trophy-type base. In a recent conversation I had with Jack Schmitt, I asked him whether he has any lunar samples. His face took on a perturbed expression and he denied having anything. The point I was getting at was that it would be neat for those who had been there to get at least a little pebble, especially the geologist! It would have been nice if Alan Rosen got his moonrock back. When a private citizen takes something that doesn't belong to them, it's called "stealing". When a government takes something, it's called "confiscation". Sad to see one more effort toward "privatization of space" getting thwarted by the government. ~ CT |
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(Stuf4) wrote in message . com...
From James Oberg: see http://www.msnbc.com/news/970313.asp?0dm=C26AT Quotes from article: "He was given the plaque...at a Denny's restaurant..." (Alan's order: I'll have the Grand Slam with a side of Selene Breccia.) "U.S. regulations prohibit private ownership of Apollo lunar samples" I know of at least one ex-NASA person with a privately owned moonrock. It was a small sample encased in the "standard" lucite ball mounted on an unassuming dark wood trophy-type base. Maybe a replica. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/2106880 "A Santa Fe-area woman who thought she had moon rocks from the Apollo 11 mission discovered after they were stolen that they most likely were replicas." In a recent conversation I had with Jack Schmitt, I asked him whether he has any lunar samples. His face took on a perturbed expression and he denied having anything. The point I was getting at was that it would be neat for those who had been there to get at least a little pebble, especially the geologist! There was some legislation a few years ago for such a thing, but it seems, it led to nuthin'. It would have been nice if Alan Rosen got his moonrock back. When a private citizen takes something that doesn't belong to them, it's called "stealing". When a government takes something, it's called "confiscation". Sad to see one more effort toward "privatization of space" getting thwarted by the government. Why? It was stolen property. If I buy a stolen shuttle from someone, would you call it "privatization of space thwarted by the government" when the police comes and confiscates it? |
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(Stuf4) wrote in message . com...
From James Oberg: see http://www.msnbc.com/news/970313.asp?0dm=C26AT Quotes from article: "He was given the plaque...at a Denny's restaurant..." (Alan's order: I'll have the Grand Slam with a side of Selene Breccia.) "U.S. regulations prohibit private ownership of Apollo lunar samples" I know of at least one ex-NASA person with a privately owned moonrock. It was a small sample encased in the "standard" lucite ball mounted on an unassuming dark wood trophy-type base. Maybe a replica. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/2106880 "A Santa Fe-area woman who thought she had moon rocks from the Apollo 11 mission discovered after they were stolen that they most likely were replicas." In a recent conversation I had with Jack Schmitt, I asked him whether he has any lunar samples. His face took on a perturbed expression and he denied having anything. The point I was getting at was that it would be neat for those who had been there to get at least a little pebble, especially the geologist! There was some legislation a few years ago for such a thing, but it seems, it led to nuthin'. It would have been nice if Alan Rosen got his moonrock back. When a private citizen takes something that doesn't belong to them, it's called "stealing". When a government takes something, it's called "confiscation". Sad to see one more effort toward "privatization of space" getting thwarted by the government. Why? It was stolen property. If I buy a stolen shuttle from someone, would you call it "privatization of space thwarted by the government" when the police comes and confiscates it? |
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From Harald Kucharek:
snip It would have been nice if Alan Rosen got his moonrock back. When a private citizen takes something that doesn't belong to them, it's called "stealing". When a government takes something, it's called "confiscation". Sad to see one more effort toward "privatization of space" getting thwarted by the government. Why? It was stolen property. If I buy a stolen shuttle from someone, would you call it "privatization of space thwarted by the government" when the police comes and confiscates it? The alledged theft occurred in a different country. I'd say that international legalities get very sticky here. ....and this shows a further violation of a US citizen by the US government. It is the US government's job to ensure protection to Alan Rosen of US law. As far as I'm aware, he was never accused of violating any Constitutionally sound US law. As a twist on your hypothetical: If a Buran is stolen by a Russian citizen and then a US citizen buys that shuttle with no violation of US law, then the buyer becomes the rightful owner (strictly according to US law) of that Buran. Continuing on with the position of the US government maintaining a desire to hold a monopoly of space shuttle-type vehicles. Confiscation of that private property by some unsound (Constitutionally unsound) justification turns the US government into the entity that has committed a violation. That's how I see it. I am certain that there are plenty of contrary opinions on this complex issue. I don't have much desire to get into a legal debate, so I don't expect that I will add much more here. (But if anyone can provide a solid Constitutional basis to support what the US govt did to Alan Rosen, I would be very interested to read that.) ~ CT |
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From Harald Kucharek:
snip It would have been nice if Alan Rosen got his moonrock back. When a private citizen takes something that doesn't belong to them, it's called "stealing". When a government takes something, it's called "confiscation". Sad to see one more effort toward "privatization of space" getting thwarted by the government. Why? It was stolen property. If I buy a stolen shuttle from someone, would you call it "privatization of space thwarted by the government" when the police comes and confiscates it? The alledged theft occurred in a different country. I'd say that international legalities get very sticky here. ....and this shows a further violation of a US citizen by the US government. It is the US government's job to ensure protection to Alan Rosen of US law. As far as I'm aware, he was never accused of violating any Constitutionally sound US law. As a twist on your hypothetical: If a Buran is stolen by a Russian citizen and then a US citizen buys that shuttle with no violation of US law, then the buyer becomes the rightful owner (strictly according to US law) of that Buran. Continuing on with the position of the US government maintaining a desire to hold a monopoly of space shuttle-type vehicles. Confiscation of that private property by some unsound (Constitutionally unsound) justification turns the US government into the entity that has committed a violation. That's how I see it. I am certain that there are plenty of contrary opinions on this complex issue. I don't have much desire to get into a legal debate, so I don't expect that I will add much more here. (But if anyone can provide a solid Constitutional basis to support what the US govt did to Alan Rosen, I would be very interested to read that.) ~ CT |
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From Harald Kucharek:
I know of at least one ex-NASA person with a privately owned moonrock. It was a small sample encased in the "standard" lucite ball mounted on an unassuming dark wood trophy-type base. Maybe a replica. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/2106880 "A Santa Fe-area woman who thought she had moon rocks from the Apollo 11 mission discovered after they were stolen that they most likely were replicas." Interesting article, by the way. Thanks. This person I know of was thoroughly convinced in his rock's authenticity. I did not question him at the time, but I do agree that there is a chance that his is only a replica. ~ CT |
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From Harald Kucharek:
I know of at least one ex-NASA person with a privately owned moonrock. It was a small sample encased in the "standard" lucite ball mounted on an unassuming dark wood trophy-type base. Maybe a replica. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/2106880 "A Santa Fe-area woman who thought she had moon rocks from the Apollo 11 mission discovered after they were stolen that they most likely were replicas." Interesting article, by the way. Thanks. This person I know of was thoroughly convinced in his rock's authenticity. I did not question him at the time, but I do agree that there is a chance that his is only a replica. ~ CT |
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"Stuf4" wrote in message om... From Harald Kucharek: snip It would have been nice if Alan Rosen got his moonrock back. When a private citizen takes something that doesn't belong to them, it's called "stealing". When a government takes something, it's called "confiscation". Sad to see one more effort toward "privatization of space" getting thwarted by the government. Why? It was stolen property. If I buy a stolen shuttle from someone, would you call it "privatization of space thwarted by the government" when the police comes and confiscates it? The alledged theft occurred in a different country. I'd say that international legalities get very sticky here. ...and this shows a further violation of a US citizen by the US government. It is the US government's job to ensure protection to Alan Rosen of US law. As far as I'm aware, he was never accused of violating any Constitutionally sound US law. As a twist on your hypothetical: If a Buran is stolen by a Russian citizen and then a US citizen buys that shuttle with no violation of US law, then the buyer becomes the rightful owner (strictly according to US law) of that Buran. Excepting buying stolen goods is illegal under US law. I don't believe US law makes a distinction as to regards what jurisdiction the stealing takes place uder. Therefore, your entire argument is flawed. Continuing on with the position of the US government maintaining a desire to hold a monopoly of space shuttle-type vehicles. Confiscation of that private property by some unsound (Constitutionally unsound) justification turns the US government into the entity that has committed a violation. That's how I see it. I am certain that there are plenty of contrary opinions on this complex issue. I don't have much desire to get into a legal debate, so I don't expect that I will add much more here. (But if anyone can provide a solid Constitutional basis to support what the US govt did to Alan Rosen, I would be very interested to read that.) ~ CT |
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