Flat Earther and AGW Denier to head nasa into obscurity.

Gary Harnagel wrote:
On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 1:57:48 PM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

Gary Harnagel wrote:

It's not as contradictory as some would like to believe, but I should have
said, "following all of Christ's teachings."

If you’re following all the teachings of Jesus have you sold all your
belongings and given the money to the poor?

Two comments on that:

So you believe His remarks to a particular person are to be applied to
everyone? :-)

Or, if you do believe so:

So you believe that I'm perfect? :-)


1 Yes

2 it’s obvious from your posts that you are a good person but if you are a
Christian you should follow the teachings of Christ.

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 12:50:23 AM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

Gary Harnagel wrote:

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 1:57:48 PM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

Gary Harnagel wrote:

It's not as contradictory as some would like to believe, but I
should have said, "following all of Christ's teachings."

If you’re following all the teachings of Jesus have you sold all your
belongings and given the money to the poor?

Two comments on that:

So you believe His remarks to a particular person are to be applied to
everyone? :-)

Or, if you do believe so:

So you believe that I'm perfect? :-)


1 Yes

The early Christians had a "socialistic" system described in the book of
Acts, but it was not quite what Jesus asked of the "rich young man":

"Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors
of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were
sold,
"And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto
every man according as he had need." -- Acts 4:34-35

The early Christians tried it, but it didn't last. There was a group of
Lutherans that sort of tried it. Their plight is documented in a book,
"Zion on the Mississippi." It didn't work out, either. The Mormons also
tried it with the same results. The problem seems to be that people in
general aren't ready for that "higher law." Even the early Christians had
problems, as recorded in Acts 5:1-11.

2 it’s obvious from your posts that you are a good person but if you are a
Christian you should follow the teachings of Christ.

There's a TV show that started this season called, "Living Biblically"
where a guy decides to live strictly according to the teachings of the
Bible. When he told his priest he was going to do that, his priest
laughed loud and long. In all the episodes, they never got around to
that "sell all that you have" stuff.

I give my time and money to worthy causes, but I'm a bit selfish, too.
I don't believe that I am asked to live that "higher law" at the present
time, but when the time comes, okay.

I see our civilization progressing to the point where goods are virtually
free because automatic machines will make them, and machines will service
the machines, freeing people to do "something else." But what should
that "something else" be? Jesus and the Apostles had "something else":
preaching the gospel. Should I preach the gospel at you? :-)

On Fri, 4 May 2018 06:50:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Collins wrote:

Gary Harnagel wrote:
On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 1:57:48 PM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

Gary Harnagel wrote:

It's not as contradictory as some would like to believe, but I should have
said, "following all of Christ's teachings."

If you+IBk-re following all the teachings of Jesus have you sold all your
belongings and given the money to the poor?

Two comments on that:

So you believe His remarks to a particular person are to be applied to
everyone? :-)

Or, if you do believe so:

So you believe that I'm perfect? :-)


1 Yes

2 it+IBk-s obvious from your posts that you are a good person but if you are a
Christian you should follow the teachings of Christ.

Who has more credibility with the uneducated or "unwashed" masses: The
Christian who doesn't follow / live up to the teachings of their Lord;
or the AGW Scientist / disciple who doesn't take vigorous measures to
curtail their own production of greenhouse gasses?

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On Fri, 4 May 2018 06:50:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Collins
wrote:

2 it’s obvious from your posts that you are a good person but if you are a
Christian you should follow the teachings of Christ.

He is probably a good person in his own eyes, but as a science denier
and one whose beliefs, if widely accepted, will result in the collapse
of human civilization, he is a terrible human being. He is in a class
that future generations (if there are any) will look back on as we
look back on slave owners and pillagers.

Any of the insights I present is because I am a Christian so reading some of the comments here from one side of the other can be amazing for willful intent to misrepresent Biblical literature as much as those who have masked the inspirational side of their nature with dour and sour convictions.

The saying by Shakespeare that the devil can quote scripture for his purpose is simply the fact that the Bible in not a monolithic work but a collections of narratives from different traditions and eras that are frequently at odds with each other including the works known as the New Testament. It is not like a big jigsaw where everything fits neatly together nor is it a make-it-up-as-you-go-along anarchy, it resonates with those who apply a higher level of reasoning and a larger heart for life.

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men." Augustine

Considering you guys have trouble with stellar circumpolar motion and why not to bypass the Sun for daily and annual motion, Augustine knew more than any of you.

On Fri, 4 May 2018 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher
wrote:

Any of the insights I present is because I am a Christian...

Which new studies confirm is consistent with believing fake news and
generally lacking critical thinking skills.

Which explains many of the "insights".

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 11:44:00 PM UTC+1, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 4 May 2018 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher
wrote:

Any of the insights I present is because I am a Christian...

Which new studies confirm is consistent with believing fake news and
generally lacking critical thinking skills.

Which explains many of the "insights".

The illusory loops of the slower moving planets as opposed to the actual loops of the faster moving planets closer to the Sun is certainly an example of progressive astronomy and easily within reach of teenage students.

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100613.html

http://www.insideastronomy.com/index...-venus-phases/

If you are only interested in making declarations then be my guest, it is so commonplace today that there is really no standout as to whether one in religious or scientific in their true sense. What is called astronomy and empirical theory is really a monolithic work which offers its followers very little in terms of observations apart from identification and predictive events and nothing in terms of cause and effect so deconstructing works like Copernicus's and Kepler's framework to allow the direct/retrograde resolution of the faster moving planets to emerge is a huge job in itself.

The Bible isn't a monolithic work and especially the different gospels in the New Testament so talking down Christianity may be easy for those looking for contradictions as a single work or doctrine but it was never meant to serve that purpose for those who are Christians.

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 9:29:05 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

On Fri, 4 May 2018 06:50:20 -0000 (UTC), Mike Collins
wrote:

it’s obvious from your posts that you are a good person but if you are a
Christian you should follow the teachings of Christ.

He is probably a good person in his own eyes,

Nope. Dead wrong again.

but as a science denier

Nope, You're batting zero.

and one whose beliefs, if widely accepted, will result in the collapse
of human civilization,

Funny, I think the same about YOUR beliefs.

he is a terrible human being. He is in a class that future generations
(if there are any) will look back on as we look back on slave owners
and pillagers.

My, but you are such a good person ... in your own eyes :-)

Wow! And all that just because I have asked for a little less over-
confidence, a little more caution about unintended consequences and a
little more evidence for GW, particularly AGW.

Your Gestapo tactics are not conducive to acceptance of AGW by thoughtful
people. On the contrary, they only serve to polarize the debate. Your
ONLY argument has been that those in authority know best. That's not a
valid position; it's only an invitation to look into it personally, and
I have done so. I have found incomplete inclusion of important factors
and sloppy consideration of others in the climate models, and outright
lies by advocates, which make the "science" insufficient to justify the
scare tactics and personal attacks by you and others.

“Ignorance and weakness is not an impediment to survival. Arrogance is.�
― Cixin Liu

On Sat, 5 May 2018 04:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

He is probably a good person in his own eyes,

Nope. Dead wrong again.

Fine. Then you are a moral degenerate. I was giving you the benefit of
the doubt.

On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 7:49:31 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sat, 5 May 2018 04:23:46 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

He is probably a good person in his own eyes,

Nope. Dead wrong again.

Fine. Then you are a moral degenerate. I was giving you the benefit of
the doubt.

False dichotomy.

"Why callest thou me good? none is good save one, that is, God".

John Savard