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Proof that Liebniz is a LYING IDIOT hundreds of years AFTER hisfirst *vis viva* paper.
it's not as hard to read as I thought, but
there is still some vagueness in your set-up. anyway, I'm certain that the "nonlinearity" is even greater than you suspect, with regard to the properties of the clay, itself. for instance, you might even get a noticably differnt result, if you dropped teh lighter ball, first, since it seems that you dropped them into teh same pot. but, yers, Coriolis' "semiparabolic [?]" form of Liebniz's *vis viva*, as well as the original without the coefficient of 1/2, would expect teh same KE. teh questio is, will the clay cooperate, or could you use something that is more "modern" to measure it? what else is used in these labs to measure theses things? got an Edmund Scientific catalog? |
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Proof that Liebniz is a LYING IDIOT hundreds of years AFTER hisfirst *vis viva* paper.
anyway, teh thing is that Liebniz was not wrong;
it is indicated that he only said taht the KE is "directly propotional" to the second-power of the velocity, not giving the coefficient of proportionality; my guess is that Coriolis, simply did a little bit of integral calculus, to get it. there's a squiggly that they use on the wookeypoopey page for "kinetic energy," that means that, instead of an equals sign; it's like an infinity sign, with one of the loops cut in half, like oc instead of oo. I mean, it's pretty bad, when I have to use a thing like wookypoopeyea! so, all that you've got to prove, is that your teeny-tiny analysis of clay behavior is true, or use another means of measuring those balls. I mean, thoughts on the static & dynamic coefficients of friction are important, two -- "necessary, but not sufficient to prove your case," and it is htose two words that define the whole idea of proof, as given us by Liebniz, himself. so, do yourself a little favor, and *assume* that clay is not really adequately descrbed merely by coeffients of friction ... like, how about elasticity? |
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Proof that Liebniz is a LYING IDIOT hundreds of years AFTER hisfirst *vis viva* paper.
On Apr 25, 10:13*pm, tensegriboy wrote:
it's not as hard to read as I thought, but there is still some vagueness in your set-up. *anyway, I'm certain that the "nonlinearity" is even greater than you suspect, with regard to the properties of the clay, itself. *for instance, you might even get a noticably differnt result, if you dropped teh lighter ball, first, since it seems that you dropped them into teh same pot. but, yers, Coriolis' "semiparabolic [?]" form of Liebniz's *vis viva*, as well as the original without the coefficient of 1/2, would expect teh same KE. *teh questio is, will the clay cooperate, or could you use something that is more "modern" to measure it? what else is used in these labs to measure theses things? got an Edmund Scientific catalog? Dear tgb: I dropped both balls into the same pot so no doubters could claim that the clay wasn't mixed the same. My KE results with a small dropped clevis pin, falling head-to-head with a larger, spring-mounted clevis pin, prove that my KE = a/g (m) + v / 32.174 (m) exactly predicts the height of drop to cause the KE of the smaller pin to match the inertia (static weight) of the larger pin. When that condition is met, the two pins compress together long enough so that the ringing sound of the smaller pin turns into a recordable... CLUNK. Coriolis's KE = 1/2 mv^2 UNDERESTIMATES the initial KE in the first part of a fall, because no one before me has realized that an object's static weight is an instantaneous KE that’s there before the object has fallen .001"! Everything I say is conclusive. Discussing things with you is largely a waste of my time. — NoEinstein — |
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Proof that Liebniz is a LYING IDIOT hundreds of years AFTER hisfirst *vis viva* paper.
On Apr 25, 11:08*pm, tensegriboy wrote:
tgb: Nothing mathematical, like calculus, is needed to "define" KE. To say that the KE is the "summation" of the KE in each second, isn't a summation requiring calculus, but only the ADDITION of the accrued KE from the start of the fall to the point in question. The value of the KE of a falling near Earth object can be determined by figuring out or measuring the TIME of the object's fall, and multiplying that time by the object's static weight. As I’ve explained so often before, the final KE also includes the object’s static weight. If the object, for whatever reason, is traveling at a uniform velocity, the MOMENTUM equation is F (in pounds) = v / 32.174 (m). At no time is calculus, nor any contrivance of a God-damned mathematician required to determine the answer! — NoEinstein — anyway, teh thing is that Liebniz was not wrong; it is indicated that he only said taht the KE is "directly propotional" to the second-power of the velocity, not giving the coefficient of proportionality; my guess is that Coriolis, simply did a little bit of integral calculus, to get it. there's a squiggly that they use on the wookeypoopey page for "kinetic energy," that means that, instead of an equals sign; it's like an infinity sign, with one of the loops cut in half, like oc instead of oo. *I mean, it's pretty bad, when I have to use a thing like wookypoopeyea! so, all that you've got to prove, is that your teeny-tiny analysis of clay behavior is true, or use another means of measuring those balls. *I mean, thoughts on the static & dynamic coefficients of friction are important, two -- "necessary, but not sufficient to prove your case," and it is htose two words that define the whole idea of proof, as given us by Liebniz, himself. so, do yourself a little favor, and *assume* that clay is not really adequately descrbed merely by coeffients of friction ... like, how about elasticity? |
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Proof that Liebniz is a LYING IDIOT hundreds of years AFTER hisfirst *vis viva* paper.
On 26.04.2011 22:21, NoEinstein wrote:
no one before me has realized that an object's static weight is an instantaneous KE that’s there before the object has fallen .001"! You are probably right about that! :-) -- Paul http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/ |
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Proof that Liebniz is a LYING IDIOT hundreds of years AFTER hisfirst *vis viva* paper.
that's what integration is, summation, but
I am not interested in the calculus; it's your hare-brained arithemetic that is so funny. to say that it is determined by coefficients of friction is rather bizzzaaar, and taht is certainly easy to prove ... but I'll let you look it "up," firstly, because you might have a better idea of waht subject that needs to be addressed, aside from friction ... unless you can find or create a theory that gives all of the other problems of deformation, "in terms of" friction ... sounds like some thing that Newton would fail to do, again. |
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Proof that Liebniz is a LYING IDIOT hundreds of years AFTER hisfirst *vis viva* paper.
anyway, Liebniz also gave us the standard notation
for integration; the British were a hundred years behind the application of calculus thereby, compared to teh Continetnt, because of the phoney Newton-Liebniz controversy; it's really their secular state church! |
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Proof that Liebniz is a LYING IDIOT hundreds of years AFTER hisfirst *vis viva* paper.
On Apr 26, 4:59*pm, "Paul B. Andersen" wrote:
On 26.04.2011 22:21, NoEinstein wrote: no one before me has realized that an object's static weight is an instantaneous KE that’s there before the object has fallen .001"! You are probably right about that! :-) -- Paul http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/ Dear Paul B. Andersen. My middle name is Anderson, so we both have Nordic connections. A family named Anderson adopted Daniel Boone's Shawnee Indian daughter, Kaziah. She was my great, great grandmother; making me, my sister, and my Armistead 1st cousins 1/32 Daniel Boone— his closest living relatives. You are both wise and brave to agree with my New Science. Whether you or I disproved KE = 1/2mv^2, the results show that such equation doesn't correctly "predict" anything, and by so determining, Einstein's E = mc^2 is disproved as well, because such was "derived" from the Coriolis equation. And, of course, both of those equations violate the Law of the conservation of Energy-Mass. Thanks for your intelligent and sensible reply! — NoEinstein — |
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Proof that Liebniz is a LYING IDIOT hundreds of years AFTER hisfirst *vis viva* paper.
On Apr 26, 9:37*pm, tensegriboy wrote:
that's what integration is, summation, but I am not interested in the calculus; it's your hare-brained arithemetic that is so funny. to say that it is determined by coefficients of friction is rather bizzzaaar, and taht is certainly easy to prove ... but I'll let you look it "up," firstly, because you might have a better idea of waht subject that needs to be addressed, aside from friction ... unless you can find or create a theory that gives all of the other problems of deformation, "in terms of" friction ... sounds like some thing that Newton would fail to do, again. Dear tgb: Nothing about my falling ball KE experiment relates to coefficients of friction. Since both equal-size but different weight balls impact the same bed of clay with (supposedly) the same KE, both should embed the same amount. But using Coriolis's formula to calculate the heights of drop to (supposedly) have = KEs, the embedment depths are nowhere close to equal. That simple test invalidates Coriolis and Einstein in one fell swoop! — NE — |
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Proof that Liebniz is a LYING IDIOT hundreds of years AFTER hisfirst *vis viva* paper.
On Apr 27, 8:54*pm, tensegriboy wrote:
anyway, Liebniz also gave us the standard notation for integration; the British were a hundred years behind the application of calculus thereby, compared to teh Continetnt, because of the phoney Newton-Liebniz controversy; it's really their secular state church! Dear tgb: You are either a paradox, or your "English" has a conflict of terms. There is no such thing as a "secular" state church, unless you consider atheism to be a religion. — NE — |
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