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To Mars and Back With Less Fuel
One of the facts about space travel, when done with rockets, is that if
you need to execute a manoeuver requiring a large delta-V in order to come back from where you went, then the amount of fuel needed to send you there has been multiplied many times over because your return fuel had to be sent with you. We are all familiar with the plan of Dr. Robert Zubrin to alleviate this issue by sending only hydrogen to Mars, which can be used to produce oxygen and methane by reacting with the carbon dioxide in the Martian atmosphere. NASA proposed a Mars Reference Mission, in which production of fuel on Mars was scaled down, to just enough to launch a capsule into orbit to rendezvous with the return craft. Originally, I proposed a modification of Dr. Zubrin's original plan to cut it up into smaller pieces. But now I think that a plan with even smaller fuel requirements can be constructed using the Mars Reference Mission as a basis. The amount of fuel produced on Mars is increased, however; to a level greater than that required to put a small ship into Mars orbit, but less than that required to send a large ship, on which astronauts can be provided life-support for the long journey home, on a Hohmann orbit back to Earth. I propose that the asronauts begin their journey home by using the fuel produced on Mars to launch a small craft into an orbit that would return it to Earth. But in that craft, they would rendezvous with a larger craft, launched *three years previously* from Earth, in a 1.5 year free-return orbit, which would have the supplies they need to survive on the long journey back. This avoids sending to Mars the fuel needed to provide a large delta-V to a large ship. It does pose risks, as making the return rendezvous is critical. The fuel savings may be enough as not to be entirely offset by launching two return ships. John Savard http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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John Savard wrote:
But in that craft, they would rendezvous with a larger craft, launched *three years previously* from Earth, in a 1.5 year free-return orbit, which would have the supplies they need to survive on the long journey back. This avoids sending to Mars the fuel needed to provide a large delta-V to a large ship. It does pose risks, as making the return rendezvous is critical. The fuel savings may be enough as not to be entirely offset by launching two return ships. The 1.5 year orbit would make it a Niehoff cycler. Niehoff cyclers exploit the fact that 8 Martian years are very close to 15 Earth years. There are two types of Niehoff cyclers: the VISIT 1 and VISIT 2. The VISIT 1 has a 1.25 year period and passes earth every 5 years and Mars every 3.75 years. The VISIT 2 has a 1.5 year period, passes earth every 3 years and Mars every 7.5 years. Mars doesn't have a period of _exactly_ 15/8 years, so it will slowly drift from the rendesvous point. However, this can be compensated for by using Earth or Mars gravity assists to slightly rotate the line of apsides. The Aldrin cycler passes both planets much more frequently, close to the Earth Mars synodic period 2 1/7 years. However the Aldrin apohelion is clear out in the asteroid belt. IIRC the Martian and Aldrin cycler velocity vectors are at about an 80 degree angle when the cycler passes Mars. This results in horrendous delta vee requirements to match Mars velocity. The Aldrin cycler also needs to rotate it's line of apsides to keep synchronized with Mars. However the apside rotation requires more delta vee than the Niehoff rotation. Considerable fuel must be spent for this while the Niehoff rotation can be accomplished almost completely with Earth or Mars gravity assists. The Niehoff cyclers consume much less fuel than Aldrin because they're a lot closer to the Earth/Mars Hohmann orbit. In the March 2000 issue of Scienfific American there is an article on Mars Cyclers by James Oberg and Buzz Aldrin. It is well worth reading IMHO. Hop |
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BlagooBlanaa wrote:
isn't this just Aldrins 'Mars Express' http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=5&c=y Thanks for a good link! As I mentioned in my reply to Savard, Aldrin's cycler passes earth and Mars more frequently, but delta vee requirements are higher as the 1.5 and 1.25 year cyclers are much more Hohmann like. Hop |
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On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:17:17 -0700, Hop David wrote,
in part: As I mentioned in my reply to Savard, Aldrin's cycler passes earth and Mars more frequently, but delta vee requirements are higher as the 1.5 and 1.25 year cyclers are much more Hohmann like. Since Mars' orbit is elliptical, it is possible for something with an orbital period of less than 1.41 years, that of the Hohmann orbit, to reach Mars. At first I thought that 1.25 years was pushing it, but then I realized that one could achieve this with an orbit part of which was spent closer to the Sun than Earth is. I was wondering about the originality of this idea - for all I knew, von Braun might have suggested it first, or Oberth - but I had thought it distinct from the concept of a cycler. A cycler would have to be a fairly big installation, since it would be envisaged as remaining useful indefinitely. I'm envisaging the launch of two craft, one to bring the astronauts to Mars, and one to take them back, that are not much larger than what would be required to provide the astronauts with life support on their journey anyways. The goal, of course, is actually to *shrink* them, by not having to provide enough fuel to obtain any significant delta-V at Mars or elsewhere in space. Anything that can sit around for three years and still support astronauts, though, may well wind up being very close to usable as a cycler in any event. If that's the case, it just goes to show how daunting a journey to Mars really is. John Savard http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:07:25 -0700, Hop David wrote,
in part: The Aldrin cycler passes both planets much more frequently, close to the Earth Mars synodic period 2 1/7 years. However the Aldrin apohelion is clear out in the asteroid belt. IIRC the Martian and Aldrin cycler velocity vectors are at about an 80 degree angle when the cycler passes Mars. This results in horrendous delta vee requirements to match Mars velocity. Looking at the Popular Mechanics article, I see he addressed that with a proposal for a "Semi-Cycler", which, except for being smaller, has at least a superficial resemblance to the type of return craft I'm proposing. At least, though, it should be clear my goals are very different. Dr. Edwin Aldrin is aiming at setting up, with a major initial expense, something that will make exporation of Mars at least a semi-permanent activity. I'm trying to reduce the minimum *entry* cost for a single initial mission to Mars - which will differ from a "flags and footprints" mission in the sense that the astronauts will spend months, rather than years collecting rock samples and the like. Given that a module which will support the astronauts for three years will also be going with them to Mars (in case of a lander failure) (assuming a 2-year orbit's higher fuel requirements are worse than making it last for 3 years instead of 2), not only might such a module be close to what is required for a cycler, it might be such as to permit permanent colonization of Mars. But I'm assuming that bottled water and canned food, rather than an O'Neill colony with a functioning ecosystem, would be what was sent at least for the return journey (there, 3 year survival time of the ship is required, but not 3 years of supplies: failure to land on Earth does not bear thinking about). John Savard http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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Silly question: are there any asteroids in cycler-like orbits?
-- http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/ http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicoll |
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John Savard wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:17:17 -0700, Hop David wrote, in part: As I mentioned in my reply to Savard, Aldrin's cycler passes earth and Mars more frequently, but delta vee requirements are higher as the 1.5 and 1.25 year cyclers are much more Hohmann like. Since Mars' orbit is elliptical, it is possible for something with an orbital period of less than 1.41 years, that of the Hohmann orbit, to reach Mars. At first I thought that 1.25 years was pushing it, but then I realized that one could achieve this with an orbit part of which was spent closer to the Sun than Earth is. When the perihelion is less than 1 A.U., the cycler crosses earth's orbit twice. This might make for more frequent fly bys and decrease the need for rotating the line of apsides. On the negative side, the cycler's velocity vector wouldn't be parallel with earth's velocity vector during fly by. This would increase the taxi's (to borrow Aldrin's term) delta vee expense. I was wondering about the originality of this idea - for all I knew, von Braun might have suggested it first, or Oberth - but I had thought it distinct from the concept of a cycler. A cycler would have to be a fairly big installation, since it would be envisaged as remaining useful indefinitely. I don't think it'd have to start out big. At first it need not be much more elaborate than a Zubrin Mars Return Vehicle. It could be added onto over time. I'm envisaging the launch of two craft, one to bring the astronauts to Mars, and one to take them back, that are not much larger than what would be required to provide the astronauts with life support on their journey anyways. The goal, of course, is actually to *shrink* them, by not having to provide enough fuel to obtain any significant delta-V at Mars or elsewhere in space. Anything that can sit around for three years and still support astronauts, though, may well wind up being very close to usable as a cycler in any event. If that's the case, it just goes to show how daunting a journey to Mars really is. Aldrin calls the main body of the cycler a "Castle". And I believe they could well evolve into huge castle like structures. But like I said earlier, the first incarnation would resemble a more ordinary MRV. John Savard http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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John Savard wrote:
Dr. Edwin Aldrin is aiming at setting up... Minor nitpick. Aldrin has legally changed his name to "Buzz" so he is now both formally and informally "Dr. Buzz Aldrin", not "Dr. Edwin Aldrin". Jim Davis |
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James Nicoll wrote:
Silly question: are there any asteroids in cycler-like orbits? Strange coincidence - I just started playing with asteroids again. Excel isn't exporting these web pages very well Asteroid Orbit blue dot - perihelion red dot - apohelion Earth Orbit Darkest blue dot - Earth position at asteroid perihelion. Lighter blue dots - Later earth positions at asteroid perihelions. Mars Orbit Red slash mark - Mars position at asteroid apohelion Lighter pink slash marks - Later Mars positions at asteroid apohelions Blue line - Asteroid ascending & descending node. http://clowder.net/hop/Visit1/1993PC.htm http://clowder.net/hop/Visit1/1998KG3.htm http://clowder.net/hop/Visit1/1999VT25.htm http://clowder.net/hop/Visit1/2000WG10.htm http://clowder.net/hop/Visit1/2003UD22.htm http://clowder.net/hop/Visit1/2003UX26.htm It is interesting that earth positions during perihelion form slowly rotating squares. Mars positions during apohelion form slowly rotating triangles. NEO search programs NEAT and LINEAR have been charged with finding potential Chicxulubs. But some are lobbying that the search be widened to find potential Tunguskas. Hope they get funding for that. I think it's a safe bet that when they get a thorough inventory of the smaller asteroids, the above list will be larger. A smaller asteroid can provide radiation shielding but is much more amenable to having its orbit changed. Also it would be an easier political sell to have have a 30 meter asteroid tweaked for frequent earth fly bys. If it happened to hit the earth, it'd burn up harmlessly in the upper atmosphere. I wouldn't want a 1 kilometer asteroid tweaked for frequent earth fly bys. Later I will put up some possible Visit2 asteroids. Hop |
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