OT hydrogen cars

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16115734/site/newsweek/

Anyone know if these cars are liquid hydrogen or compressed gas H2?

Also, how are they fueled, e.g. where are the fueling stations?

Danny

"Danny Dot" wrote in news:8OHeh.4394$qp1.2747
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16115734/site/newsweek/

Anyone know if these cars are liquid hydrogen or compressed gas H2?

I believe there have been examples of both kinds.

Also, how are they fueled, e.g. where are the fueling stations?

'Fill 'er up' on H2 is still a long way off. LH2 fueling is
very unlikely, it's almost certainly got to be compressed gas
to be at all feasible.

My bet is that hydrogen will NEVER be a viable fuel, for a
variety of reasons.

--Damon

"Damon Hill" wrote in message
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"Danny Dot" wrote in news:8OHeh.4394$qp1.2747
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16115734/site/newsweek/

Anyone know if these cars are liquid hydrogen or compressed gas H2?

I believe there have been examples of both kinds.

Also, how are they fueled, e.g. where are the fueling stations?

'Fill 'er up' on H2 is still a long way off. LH2 fueling is
very unlikely, it's almost certainly got to be compressed gas
to be at all feasible.

My bet is that hydrogen will NEVER be a viable fuel, for a
variety of reasons.

Damon's probably right.
Hydrogen burns hotter than gasoline which leads to even higher production of
NOx.
That is, unless there is also a tank for pure O2 as the oxidizer, and by
that point the costs are really going sky-high.

Tim

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"Damon Hill" wrote in message
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"Danny Dot" wrote in news:8OHeh.4394$qp1.2747
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16115734/site/newsweek/

Anyone know if these cars are liquid hydrogen or compressed gas H2?

I believe there have been examples of both kinds.

Also, how are they fueled, e.g. where are the fueling stations?

'Fill 'er up' on H2 is still a long way off. LH2 fueling is
very unlikely, it's almost certainly got to be compressed gas
to be at all feasible.

My bet is that hydrogen will NEVER be a viable fuel, for a
variety of reasons.

Damon's probably right.
Hydrogen burns hotter than gasoline which leads to even higher production
of NOx.

This is VERY interesting. Air/hydrogen cumbustion produces NOx, which is a
big polluter. Considering the problems with H2 production and storage why
are we even trying. If air/H2 pollutes the program is dead.

How about Air - H2 fuel cells? Do they produce NOx?

Danny Dot

That is, unless there is also a tank for pure O2 as the oxidizer, and by
that point the costs are really going sky-high.

Tim

Danny Dot wrote:
This is VERY interesting. Air/hydrogen cumbustion produces NOx, which is a
big polluter. Considering the problems with H2 production and storage why
are we even trying.

Because we are going to have to do something other than petroleum
eventually.

If air/H2 pollutes the program is dead.

Fortunately, there are several technical approaches to dealing with
this.

How about Air - H2 fuel cells? Do they produce NOx?

No.

Lee Jay