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Old August 10th 14, 02:15 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Just wanted to remind everyone, that the Red Planet will be spectacular
later this month. At a relatively small magnification

MARS WILL LOOK AS LARGE AS THE FULL MOON TO THE NAKED EYE

Thank you for your attention.

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Old August 10th 14, 06:29 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, August 9, 2014 6:15:59 PM UTC-7, Bryan wrote:
Just wanted to remind everyone, that the Red Planet will be spectacular

later this month. At a relatively small magnification



MARS WILL LOOK AS LARGE AS THE FULL MOON TO THE NAKED EYE



Thank you for your attention.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_hoax
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Old August 10th 14, 10:24 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:29:17 AM UTC+1, palsing wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_hoax


You got your own celestial sphere hoax going there with a spectacular distortion of the Sun's daily apparent motion and arc across latitudes to account for variations in twilight -

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ole-sunset.htm

The only acceptable arc of the Sun is the seasonal variations for the same latitude accompanied by the dynamics that create the daily arc and then the orbital surface rotation which varies the arc across the Solstices.

What is truly dismaying is that there is no sense of dignity nor indignation that humans have descended so low as to distort even the apparent motions to suit a conclusion and in all the years I have come here,I have yet to see a single individual adopt a stable narrative.

The Christian saying of taking the mote out the eye of another while having a beam in your own applies here and what a celestial sphere driven beam it is !.


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Old August 10th 14, 10:51 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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"palsing" wrote in message
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On Saturday, August 9, 2014 6:15:59 PM UTC-7, Bryan wrote:
Just wanted to remind everyone, that the Red Planet will be spectacular

later this month. At a relatively small magnification



MARS WILL LOOK AS LARGE AS THE FULL MOON TO THE NAKED EYE



Thank you for your attention.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_hoax
================================================== ==========
Clearly opposition with Earth at aphelion, Mars at perihelion is a tall
order and an astronomical order for the next occurrence when taking
precession into account. If I calculate that the next occurrence will be on
the 11th August, 24,994 AD who is going to check my figures and who is
going to PROVE I'm right or wrong? Nobody, that's who, so it isn't
important.

-- The Reverend Lord Androcles, Archbishop of Ballistic Light.
(H. God Wilson thinks he's the God of Ballistic Light and can tell it what
to do.)

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Old August 10th 14, 06:02 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:24:59 AM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:
On Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:29:17 AM UTC+1, palsing wrote:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_hoax




You got your own celestial sphere hoax going there with a spectacular distortion of the Sun's daily apparent motion and arc across latitudes to account for variations in twilight -



http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ole-sunset.htm



The only acceptable arc of the Sun is the seasonal variations for the same latitude accompanied by the dynamics that create the daily arc and then the orbital surface rotation which varies the arc across the Solstices.



What is truly dismaying is that there is no sense of dignity nor indignation that humans have descended so low as to distort even the apparent motions to suit a conclusion and in all the years I have come here,I have yet to see a single individual adopt a stable narrative.



The Christian saying of taking the mote out the eye of another while having a beam in your own applies here and what a celestial sphere driven beam it is !.


Gerald, the world must be one giant riddle to you.

EVERYTHING in the sky appears to rotate around Polaris and there is nothing to be done about it. The Earth is turning on its axis, for crying out loud.. Sure, the distance of the Sun and moon from the pole slowly changes throughout the year and month, respectively, but over the course of a day that change is relatively small. You have again picked the wrong battle, this one is easily observed and measured and you don't have a leg to stand on.

\Paul A
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Old August 10th 14, 07:02 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, August 9, 2014 7:15:59 PM UTC-6, Bryan wrote:

At a relatively small magnification
MARS WILL LOOK AS LARGE AS THE FULL MOON TO THE NAKED EYE


Well, _that's_ not the Moon hoax; it doesn't violate the laws of physics for Mars to look as big as the full moon does, from Earth... if you magnify Mars, but not the Moon.

However, that is a value of "relatively small" that requires at least a telescope with 8 inches of aperture. So amateur astronomers with modest budgets may take issue with that.

John Savard
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Old August 10th 14, 07:30 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:02:00 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:


Gerald, the world must be one giant riddle to you.



EVERYTHING in the sky appears to rotate around Polaris and there is nothing to be done about it.


The daily arc of the Sun from East to West is in the opposite direction to circumpolar motion with variations in arc across the seasons, you know this because the arcs in the Northern hemisphere of the globe where Polaris can be seen get smaller towards the Equator and larger towards Poles as winter turns to summer. That nonsensical explanation which you call excellent has smaller arcs towards Polaris and larger towards the Equator while trying to explain daily variations in twilight across latitudes.

You bunch of celestial sphere cultists turn the daily arc of the Sun in the wrong daily direction using the altitude of Polaris to the local horizon and that is distorting the apparent observations known to all astronomers through all eras where the variation of the arc of the Sun is never in circumpolar motion .










The Earth is turning on its axis, for crying out loud. Sure, the distance of the Sun and moon from the pole slowly changes throughout the year and month, respectively, but over the course of a day that change is relatively small. You have again picked the wrong battle, this one is easily observed and measured and you don't have a leg to stand on.



\Paul A


The only possible variations in the arc of the Sun are from the same latitude with the arc getting smaller towards the Equator towards the winter Solstice in whatever hemisphere the observation is being made -

http://www.astronomy.org/programs/se...ing-sun-sm.gif


If you can insert the Sun's motion into a circumpolar arc from horizon to horizon with Polaris at the center then good for you but then again you are celestial sphere cultists and you might even try.

There is a big difference between having difficulties translating apparent motions into actual motions as opposed to actually doctoring apparent motions to suit a conclusion. In your case,putting the Sun in circumpolar motion and varying the arcs from smaller at the Poles to widest at the Equator is easily the most explicit indication of a cult with all its destructive agendas.

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Old August 10th 14, 08:34 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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"Quadibloc" wrote in message
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On Saturday, August 9, 2014 7:15:59 PM UTC-6, Bryan wrote:

At a relatively small magnification
MARS WILL LOOK AS LARGE AS THE FULL MOON TO THE NAKED EYE


Well, _that's_ not the Moon hoax; it doesn't violate the laws of physics for
Mars to look as big as the full moon does, from Earth... if you magnify
Mars, but not the Moon.

However, that is a value of "relatively small" that requires at least a
telescope with 8 inches of aperture. So amateur astronomers with modest
budgets may take issue with that.

John Savard

=============================================
My eyeball has an aperture of 1-2 mm with a zero budget. Explain why 8
inches of telescope aperture is crucial, given that the Moon subtends an arc
of 1/2 a degree and is 238,000 miles away.

-- The Reverend Lord Androcles, Archbishop of Ballistic Light.
(H. God Wilson thinks he's the God of Ballistic Light and can tell it what
to do.)

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Old August 11th 14, 12:44 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:30:22 AM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:
On Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:02:00 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:

Gerald, the world must be one giant riddle to you.


EVERYTHING in the sky appears to rotate around Polaris and there is nothing to be done about it.


The daily arc of the Sun from East to West is in the opposite direction to circumpolar motion...


Well, that is just plain silly. After all, the fixed stars also arc across the night sky from east to west, just like EVERYTHING else in the sky. What are you thinking?

The Earth is turning on its axis, for crying out loud. Sure, the distance of the Sun and moon from the pole slowly changes throughout the year and month, respectively, but over the course of a day that change is relatively small. You have again picked the wrong battle, this one is easily observed and measured and you don't have a leg to stand on.


The only possible variations in the arc of the Sun are from the same latitude with the arc getting smaller towards the Equator towards the winter Solstice in whatever hemisphere the observation is being made -


http://www.astronomy.org/programs/se...ing-sun-sm.gif


Apparently you didn't notice in that link that the observer is facing South! In the winter the Sun is well south of the celestial equator, and those arcs are getting smaller as they approach the south celestial pole. The very biggest arc would be at the summer solstice, when the Sun is at a declination of zero degrees, right on the equator, equidistant from either pole. Check out these star trails...

http://astronomy.nmsu.edu/tharriso/a...startrails.jpg

..... which includes stars from each hemisphere. Note that stars near the equator are the ones that travel in essentially a straight lines! Since the Sun is north of the celestial equator for half the year and south for half the year, this means that 50% of the time it is circumpolar to Polaris at the north celestial pole and half the time circumpolar to the south celestial pole, and as it gets farther and farther from the celestial equator the Sun's arcs get a smaller and smaller radius.


If you can insert the Sun's motion into a circumpolar arc from horizon to horizon with Polaris at the center then good for you


Well then, good for me, because this is the way it really is, at least for half a year at a time.

There is a big difference between having difficulties translating apparent motions into actual motions as opposed to actually doctoring apparent motions to suit a conclusion. In your case,putting the Sun in circumpolar motion and varying the arcs from smaller at the Poles to widest at the Equator is easily the most explicit indication of a cult with all its destructive agendas.


Again you are making an incorrect assumption. NO ONE is translating apparent motion into actual motion because there is no correlation. Apparent motion is, well, APPARENT only. ALL those things we see in the sky only APPARENTLY circle Polaris in the northern celestial hemisphere. Except for some well-understood wiggles, the Sun is just moving around the center of the galaxy and that is its ONLY actual motion. What are you thinking? These concepts are just not that hard to understand.

\Paul A
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Old August 11th 14, 12:46 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:30:22 AM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:
On Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:02:00 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:

Gerald, the world must be one giant riddle to you.


EVERYTHING in the sky appears to rotate around Polaris and there is nothing to be done about it.


The daily arc of the Sun from East to West is in the opposite direction to circumpolar motion...


Well, that is just plain silly. After all, the fixed stars also arc across the night sky from east to west, just like EVERYTHING else in the sky. What are you thinking?

The Earth is turning on its axis, for crying out loud. Sure, the distance of the Sun and moon from the pole slowly changes throughout the year and month, respectively, but over the course of a day that change is relatively small. You have again picked the wrong battle, this one is easily observed and measured and you don't have a leg to stand on.


The only possible variations in the arc of the Sun are from the same latitude with the arc getting smaller towards the Equator towards the winter Solstice in whatever hemisphere the observation is being made -


http://www.astronomy.org/programs/se...ing-sun-sm.gif


Apparently you didn't notice in that link that the observer is facing South! In the winter the Sun is well south of the celestial equator, and those arcs are getting smaller as they approach the south celestial pole. The very biggest arc would be at the summer solstice, when the Sun is at a declination of zero degrees, right on the equator, equidistant from either pole. Check out these star trails...

http://astronomy.nmsu.edu/tharriso/a...startrails.jpg

..... which includes stars from each hemisphere. Note that stars near the equator are the ones that travel in essentially a straight lines! Since the Sun is north of the celestial equator for half the year and south for half the year, this means that 50% of the time it is circumpolar to Polaris at the north celestial pole and half the time circumpolar to the south celestial pole, and as it gets farther and farther from the celestial equator the Sun's arcs get a smaller and smaller radius.


If you can insert the Sun's motion into a circumpolar arc from horizon to horizon with Polaris at the center then good for you


Well then, good for me, because this is the way it really is, at least for half a year at a time.

There is a big difference between having difficulties translating apparent motions into actual motions as opposed to actually doctoring apparent motions to suit a conclusion. In your case,putting the Sun in circumpolar motion and varying the arcs from smaller at the Poles to widest at the Equator is easily the most explicit indication of a cult with all its destructive agendas.


Again you are making an incorrect assumption. NO ONE is translating apparent motion into actual motion because there is no correlation. Apparent motion is, well, APPARENT only. ALL those things we see in the sky only APPARENTLY circle Polaris in the northern celestial hemisphere. Except for some well-understood wiggles, the Sun is just moving around the center of the galaxy and that is its ONLY actual motion. What are you thinking? These concepts are just not that hard to understand.

\Paul A
 




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