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During an interview with russian media this morning, Sacha was asked about the
noises. He joked that it must be a ghost, but then added that the sound most probably came from the inside. (based on how it repeated itself). In a separate question, he also said that they were able to view the violence in Iraq as they saw plumes of smoke coming out near the Iraq/Kuwait border this week. |
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"John Doe" wrote In a separate question, he also said that they were able to view the violence in Iraq as they saw plumes of smoke coming out near the Iraq/Kuwait border this week. Did any Russian cosmonauts ever remark on the plumes of smoke coming from Chechnya? |
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"John Doe" wrote In a separate question, he also said that they were able to view the violence in Iraq as they saw plumes of smoke coming out near the Iraq/Kuwait border this week. Did any Russian cosmonauts ever remark on the plumes of smoke coming from Chechnya? I generaly respect you Mr. Oberg. But when you argument like this you justify the war because of how Russia does Chechnya. I newer thought I'd see you sink that deep. Sincerely Bjørn Ove |
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"Bjørn Ove Isaksen" wrote I generaly respect you Mr. Oberg. But when you argument like this you justify the war because of how Russia does Chechnya. I newer thought I'd see you sink that deep. Sincerely Bjørn Ove I just asked a question -- not to argue over the Iraq war. You're the one who seems over sensitive. |
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JimO wrote:
I just asked a question -- not to argue over the Iraq war. You're the one who seems over sensitive. Your question was politically motivated. I merely reported that the crew had told ground folks that they had seen plumes of smoke in Iraq. Since I do not listen to them 24/7, anyone would realise that one cannot report everything they said. At that moment, they mentioned Iraq. They may be able to see the great chinese wall from space, but it seems that they also see disasters (they really saw 9/11's smoke for instance). |
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"JimO" I just asked a question Seems like a fair question. The wars in Iraq and Chechnya have some superficial similarities, industrial, technological West vs. tribal Luddite Muslims and so on. But the Chechens are a little close to home. In order to really do something similar we would have to bomb Ciudad Juarez or more specifically El Paso itself. "But when you argument like this you justify the war because of how Russia does Chechnya" The White House staff has been working overtime to "justify the war" in Iraq. Deposing a psychotic tyrant apparently counts for little in the Modern Age. Using the Russian war in Chechnya to justify the war in Iraq? Most Americans have never heard of Chechnya. I don't think Mr Oberg was trying to justify the Iraq war by mentioning Chechnya. It is a simple question - Did cosmonauts ever remark on smoke in Chechnya? That a country as morally bankrupt as Russia should impose the will of the Kremlin on another country is ludicrous....except that Chechnya is part of Russia and always has been, so it is a domestic issue. We can only be sure that since it involves Russians and Muslims, both exemplars of crude behavior, that it will be a hell of a nasty mess. |
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"Kent Betts" wrote in That a country as morally bankrupt as Russia should impose the will of the Kremlin on another country is ludicrous....except that Chechnya is part of Russia and always has been, so it is a domestic issue. Well, I'm not of that opinion. Chechnya was conquered by the tsarist armies in the mid to late 19th century, the same era when French armies were conquering Algeria, the Italians were conquering Libya, and other European imperialists were carving up other areas of Africa anhd Asia. Chechnya was in all cultural grounds a SW Asian nation associated with Iran, Kurdistan, Anatolia, etc., but for one geographic predicament: on maps drawn by Russians, they were on the 'Europe' side of the Europe/Asia line. Their aspirations to regain their independence have led to bloody wars and genocidal campaigns for a century and a half. It seems to me that it's Russia, not the Chechens, who are trying to go against history. Chechnya is to me no more a 'domestic issue' of Russia than, say, Algeria was a French domestic issue, or Tibet is a Chinese domestic issue, or (from the point of view of the UN) Puerto Rico was off limits because it was a US domestic issue (the UN has never restrained itself from meddling in that relationship). I don't see what this has to do with Iraq. Nobody is trying to redraw any borders there. |
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JimO wrote:
I don't see what this has to do with Iraq. Nobody is trying to redraw any borders there. Point taken. I will not try to justify what Russia does in Chechnya, I never liked it. My original point was that you use the word "remark" on the Chechnya situation. This implies active mentioning. In the original posting they merely confirmed that they could see smoke when asked, something I consider a passive action (say when asked, as opposed to bringing it up yourself). Sincerley Bjørn Ove |
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Bjørn Ove Isaksen wrote:
Chechnya situation. This implies active mentioning. In the original posting they merely confirmed that they could see smoke when asked, something I consider a passive action (say when asked, as opposed to bringing it up yourself). What I heard was simply that they had noticed smoke over southern Iraq that morning. They were not asked if they had seen smoke over Iraq. |
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"JimO" Puerto Rico was off limits because it was a US domestic issue (the UN has never restrained itself from meddling in that relationship). Putin just issued some words to the effect that the UN should play a bigger part in world affairs. (Except ... Chechnya?) About the same time, a Belgian (NATO) F-16 landed at a new NATO base in Latvia. Much yelling and hollering in the Kremlin hallways. President Putin had asked that the base only be used by the "smaller" NATO members. The poor guy can't catch a break. |
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