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"EAC" wrote in message
m... Remember if Kennedy and Kruschev had their ways, both the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. would have done a joint mission together to the moon. I hadn't heard that before. Can you cite a source so I can have a look at this? -- Regards, Mike Combs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Member of the National Non-sequitur Society. We may not make much sense, but we do like pizza. |
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I can't argue with you, you could easily be correct.
DWA PS: I believe that this is the first time that the above words were ever posted in sci.space.policy. "hop" wrote in message om... "David Anderman" wrote in message m... Note that the mass for the reworked Soyuz heat shield is no more than 300 kg. Updated details about the Lunar Express SM system are available at: www.constellationservices.com but if you can read Russian, there is a very interesting story at: http://www.kp.ru/daily/23335/31058/ BTW, I would be happy to answer questions about this near term lunar mission, right here. DWA Nice to see you here. There was some discussion of the concept earlier on this NG (see this long url for google archive http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...ff&threadm=64c 0d119.0408060844.261c9825%40posting.google.com&pre v=/groups%3Fdq%3D%26num%3D 25%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dsci.space.station%26safe%3Doff%2 6start%3D25 ) My personal take is it is a very interesting, but it would be hard to get anyone to pay for it. The US Govt. won't, because of the Iran non-proliferation act, and the fact that 'buy cheap Russian hardware' is not likely an acceptable component of the moon plan (for both good and bad reasons). If transportation of humans and cargo to lunar orbit were open for anyone to bid on, it could be a different story. ESA might, conceivably, but it is hard to see how they would justify it. ESA ISS flights are promoted as providing manned spaceflight experience (since they fly as FEs) as well as micro-g science. Neither of those would seem to gain additional benefit from going around the moon. National prestige alone seems questionable, especially if they are just paying for a ride that anyone with enough cash can take. Tourists are possible, but the cost would seem put severe limits on the market. At the current $10-20 million rumored price, the Russians still have some trouble getting applicants who have funding and can meet the medical and training requirements. Even if the boost stage (+ECLS and hab area) could be made largely by gluing together existing hardware, it is still a new manned spacecraft. And even though the Soyuz upgrade should be reasonably simple, it would require some development and re-qualification. Zond was a long time ago, on a different LV, and a variant of Soyuz quite different from the TMA. All this makes me think that the development cost would be non-trivial. In any case, I wish you the best of luck and would be glad to be proven wrong. |
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"Mike Combs" wrote in message ...
"EAC" wrote in message m... Remember if Kennedy and Kruschev had their ways, both the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. would have done a joint mission together to the moon. I hadn't heard that before. Can you cite a source so I can have a look at this? -SP-4209 The Partnership: A History of the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project --The Kennedy Proposal for a Joint Moon Flight http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...4209/ch2-4.htm - Rusty Barton |
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"Rusty B" wrote in message
om... "Mike Combs" wrote in message ... "EAC" wrote in message m... Remember if Kennedy and Kruschev had their ways, both the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. would have done a joint mission together to the moon. I hadn't heard that before. Can you cite a source so I can have a look at this? -SP-4209 The Partnership: A History of the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project --The Kennedy Proposal for a Joint Moon Flight http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...4209/ch2-4.htm Interesting. I saw a SF movie not too long ago where a time traveler prevented Kennedy's assassination, and in the new alternate timeline, Kennedy proposed exactly this. I thought it was pretty far-fetched at the time, but I guess not so much. -- Regards, Mike Combs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Member of the National Non-sequitur Society. We may not make much sense, but we do like pizza. |
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On 2004-08-13, Joseph Nebus wrote:
(They recorded several possible ``observing natural events'' openers, on the assumption that *sometime* during the flight there'd be fires in California or a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico or so.) Unfortunately I don't find a reference offhand ... but it is one of the greater space pranks played. Skylab 2, apparently. Somehow, tihs does not surprise me... "On day 45 of the flight, ground control was startled when a female voice replied to their call. The mystified capcom continued the conversation for some time before realising that Garriot had pre-recorded a dialogue with his wife before the mission..." http://www.astronautix.com/articles/spaedout.htm -- -Andrew Gray |
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