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50-page brochure (Russian and English) about Progress M50
However bob is more interested in the appearance (replacing badly needed supplies with luxury items) than the reality ('luxury' items that help keep the crew sane). Ahh if some minor component fails I will restart this discussion. morale is definetely important but currently the station is in emergency mode without shuttle supplies HAVE A GREAT DAY! |
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50-page brochure (Russian and English) about Progress M50
Andrew Gray writes:
Anecdotally, the first Skylab crew were told that thanks to the fact they were using a S-V launch, weight restrictions were flexible; there would be an allocation of a couple of hundred pounds for entertainment items and the like, and did they have any suggestions? They were shortly asked for any *other* suggestions... My recollection is one of the crews did that anyway -- that is, they had one of the astronaut's wives record a few lines of conversation such as, ``Oh, we were just observing the fires in California,'' ``I've just been trying to keep out of the way'' and ``Now I've got to run, the boys are coming back'' and played a fairly coherent conversation to a baffled Mission Control. (They recorded several possible ``observing natural events'' openers, on the assumption that *sometime* during the flight there'd be fires in California or a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico or so.) Unfortunately I don't find a reference offhand ... but it is one of the greater space pranks played. -- Joseph Nebus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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50-page brochure (Russian and English) about Progress M50
"bob haller" wrote in message ... However bob is more interested in the appearance (replacing badly needed supplies with luxury items) than the reality ('luxury' items that help keep the crew sane). Ahh if some minor component fails I will restart this discussion. morale is definetely important but currently the station is in emergency mode without shuttle supplies You sound like you should be writing for the National Enquirer or some other trashy paper. Your personal opinion isn't worth much when compared to people with real space station experience (the Russians) or even when compared to others here who have had experience being deployed on ships for long periods of time. Jeff -- Remove icky phrase from email address to get a valid address. |
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50-page brochure (Russian and English) about Progress M50
On 2004-08-12, bob haller wrote:
However bob is more interested in the appearance (replacing badly needed supplies with luxury items) than the reality ('luxury' items that help keep the crew sane). Ahh if some minor component fails I will restart this discussion. morale is definetely important but currently the station is in emergency mode without shuttle supplies Delightful though the idea is, ISS minor components are not identical small mechanical bits; the term covers pretty much half the mass of the station, a truly scary number of different devices, many of them essentually unique (and most critical you-die-in-minutes-if-this-breaks hardware with, I believe, some form of spares or backup). Things break on ISS all the time; they send the faulty bits back (as with the glovebox) or wait for new hardware to be sent up. Do you really think that "sending up minor components" is a rational thing to do without knowing what you need? All the spare EMU gloves in the world won't help if your problem is with an ECLSS flowline somewhere, and an extra screwdriver is a poor substitute for a monkey wrench. It's a foolish argument - by this logic, all flight space would be spare components, because something might break somewhere and you'd have to fly it up later otherwise. -- -Andrew Gray |
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"Jim Oberg" wrote in message ...
FYI: A very handsome 50-page brochure (Russian and English) about Progress M50 and background can be downloaded in pdf form from http://www.federalspace.ru/video/Progress_M50_www.pdf Specific mission details (in Russian) can be read at http://www.federalspace.ru/Start1Show.asp?STARTID=574 JimO www.jamesoberg.com Nice find. Far more interesting than the fact the ISS crew get magazines and DVDs to me was the Soyuz LV upgrade timeline. While the aurora/onega stuff seems likely to be viewgraph engineering, the Soyuz 2A and 2B and perhaps the Kourou pad seem to be fairly firm. Anyone know if this is true, or just more 'if we had the money' dreaming ? Incidently, the Soyouz 2B gives an extra 1000kg to LEO from Baikonur, which should be plenty for extra heat sheild that the seemingly implausible CSI http://www.constellationservices.com/ plan would require. Hmmm... It is also interesting to see the same LV gets about 2.5x the payload to geostationary from Kourou compaired Baikonur. That should provide an attractive option for medium sized GEO sats. |
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"Jim Oberg" wrote in message ...
FYI: A very handsome 50-page brochure (Russian and English) about Progress M50 and background can be downloaded in pdf form from http://www.federalspace.ru/video/Progress_M50_www.pdf Specific mission details (in Russian) can be read at http://www.federalspace.ru/Start1Show.asp?STARTID=574 JimO www.jamesoberg.com Nice find. Far more interesting than the fact the ISS crew get magazines and DVDs to me was the Soyuz LV upgrade timeline. While the aurora/onega stuff seems likely to be viewgraph engineering, the Soyuz 2A and 2B and perhaps the Kourou pad seem to be fairly firm. Anyone know if this is true, or just more 'if we had the money' dreaming ? Incidently, the Soyouz 2B gives an extra 1000kg to LEO from Baikonur, which should be plenty for extra heat sheild that the seemingly implausible CSI http://www.constellationservices.com/ plan would require. Hmmm... It is also interesting to see the same LV gets about 2.5x the payload to geostationary from Kourou compaired Baikonur. That should provide an attractive option for medium sized GEO sats. |
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hop wrote:
Incidently, the Soyouz 2B gives an extra 1000kg to LEO from Baikonur, which should be plenty for extra heat sheild that the seemingly implausible CSI http://www.constellationservices.com/ plan would require. Hmmm... I was under the impression that the Soyuz had lower performance now than it used to, as the Soviets used to use Sintin rather than stock Kerosene. The Russians ran out of money to keep Sintin production running sometime in the mid '90s. |
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hop wrote:
Incidently, the Soyouz 2B gives an extra 1000kg to LEO from Baikonur, which should be plenty for extra heat sheild that the seemingly implausible CSI http://www.constellationservices.com/ plan would require. Hmmm... I was under the impression that the Soyuz had lower performance now than it used to, as the Soviets used to use Sintin rather than stock Kerosene. The Russians ran out of money to keep Sintin production running sometime in the mid '90s. |
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"Joseph Nebus" wrote in message ... Andrew Gray writes: Unfortunately I don't find a reference offhand ... but it is one of the greater space pranks played. One of the greatest that never quite worked was Apollo 12 where they brought a timer for the camera. Idea was to put it on the camera, set it up on Surveyor and both stand in front of the camera while it snapped a picture. In retrospect, with so many moon-hoaxers around, it's probably a good thing they didn't do this. -- Joseph Nebus -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- |
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