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Andrew Usher wrote:
On Feb 19, 3:07 pm, António Marques wrote: The reason I fix Christmas to a Sunday has been my observation that arranging a family Christmas is substantially more convenient when it falls on a weekend than in the middle of the week. Given that Christmas is the most important holiday in the year, should we not all get at least a 3-day weekend, which we have for lesser holidays? Less than around 30% of the world population cares about Christmas or Easter or think that "Christmas is the most important holiday in the year". Well, but for those who don't it doesn't really matter one way or the other what day Christmas and Easter Sunday are, does it? So what relevance do they have for you to bring them along? Or was it just the desire to sound clever? Right, and I figure that my calendar would be no worse than the present for those that don't. Indeed, I considered this problem purely as a logical one; as I've stated, I don't consider myself Christian, I adopted the Church calendar as a base only because it makes the problem more interesting. I didn't consider my calendar complete until I worked out my new leap year rule (Rule #3) - it not only ensures that both Christmas and Easter are within 7-day periods despite being a constant distance from each other and having leap day in between, it simultaneously causes there to be exactly 52 Sundays in every year if you take out Nov. 1 which is All Saints' day; this immediately allows te to draw up a permanent list of the Sundays in the year with their traditional Christian designations, and then follow the perpetual calendar. And I moved the start of the week numbering to August from Nov. 1 so that the academic year and the US football season would be on the fixed schedule, and I think there can be no objection to that. The holidays I consider are Christmas and Easter (and of course the Church festivals fixed to them, but hardly anyone cares anymore), and US Thanksgiving - but other civil holidays could easily be fixed to the same if they are now observed on a Monday, say, or otherwise not fixed to a particular date. Andrew Usher Which academic year are you considering? I can think of several variations - K-12 vs universities and colleges, to begin with, and there are even variations among the K-12 school years in different jurisdictions - and even within the same one, in places where some schools have a year-round schedule. I will confess to being totally indifferent to the US football schedule. In fact, I couldn't tell you what it is now, except for a vague impression that it occurs in the fall, or possibly winter. -- Cheryl |
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On Feb 19, 1:02*pm, Cheryl wrote:
Halmyre wrote: On 19 Feb, 09:12, John Atkinson wrote: Halmyre wrote: On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" wrote: "Andrew Usher" wrote in message ... Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar, and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I say the following: 1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not normally. 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15 weeks following Christmas. 3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near enough. 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption, and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1, and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days before Christmas. 6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made, without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days inherited from the Romans. Andrew Usher The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe habe in fine as it is I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it. But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! *You might as well scrap the whole thing otherwise. *Or are you suggesting that we only take holidays at Easter every four years or so, when your “settled” date just happens to correspond with the right lunar phase? We don't have Christmas only when there's a bright star in the east. It's like saying "I was born on a Wednesday, so I'll only celebrate my birthday when it falls on a Wednesday". -- Halmyre I suppose it all comes down to how much predictability each person likes. Some people like all their holidays to come at the same time each year, and others are happy to put up with Easter, for example, coming late some years because other years it comes nice and early, which makes a much-needed break in a long winter. I never did consider Easter to be necessarily a spring holiday, myself. Of course, people living in places where they already have public holidays in all three of the dreary months of January, February and March wouldn't greet an early Easter with as much enthusiasm as I do. And I know Easter doesn't occur in January or February, but they seem much longer than they are when Easter comes in the latter part of April; and slightly shorter than they are when I have a March Easter to look forward to. I want an official long holiday weekend in every single month, no exceptions. I thought they should have used MLK Day to commemorate the March on Washington, rather than his birthday, since there are no holidays in August. |
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On Feb 19, 4:56*pm, wrote: Well, but for those who don't it doesn't really matter one way or the other what day Christmas and Easter Sunday are, does it? So what relevance do they have for you to bring them along? Or was it just the desire to sound clever? That a calendar serves a purpose beyond keeping track of regional, ethnic, or religious "celebrations" of one small group. It's hardly a small group, indeed perhaps larger than that for any other significant holiday in the world. And the Gregorian calendar that we use as already European-centered. And trying to come up with a new calendar fixating on Christmas is about as logical as fixating on Waitangi Day. This is just West-bashing. Andrew Usher |
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John Atkinson wrote:
Halmyre wrote: On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" wrote: "Andrew Usher" wrote in message ... Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar, and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I say the following: 1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not normally. 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15 weeks following Christmas. 3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near enough. 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption, and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1, and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days before Christmas. 6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made, without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days inherited from the Romans. Andrew Usher The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe habe in fine as it is I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it. But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You might as well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you suggesting that we only take holidays at Easter every four years or so, when your “settled†date just happens to correspond with the right lunar phase? Really, the whole point of Easter is celebrating the coming of northern hemisphere Spring, so it were better to change the date completely. -- Rob Bannister |
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Andrew Usher wrote:
Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar, and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I say the following: 1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not normally. 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15 weeks following Christmas. 3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near enough. 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption, and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1, and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days before Christmas. 6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made, without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days inherited from the Romans. If you are going to try to make it sensible, then please give us 13 four-week months with one or two specially named days at the end of the year to even it out. The first day of each month should be a Monday. -- Rob Bannister |
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On Feb 19, 6:07*pm, Robert Bannister wrote:
6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made, without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days inherited from the Romans. If you are going to try to make it sensible, then please give us 13 four-week months with one or two specially named days at the end of the year to even it out. The first day of each month should be a Monday. Once again, I said that I excluded having days outside the week. And the first day of the week is Sunday, not Monday - that is an incontrovertible fact. Having 13 months, in addition, would screw up a bunch of things ; in particular, 13 can't be divided. Andrew Usher |
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On Feb 19, 1:38*pm, António Marques wrote:
Easter is the central feast of Christianity, would be an end in itself if nothing else, and of which all the particulars have the highest religious significance. (Regardless of whatever pagan festivals coincide with it in date or outward meaning.) I agree, but how does that mean we must celebrate Easter at the full moon? (which the Orthodox don't, anyway) Andrew Usher |
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Cheryl wrote:
Andrew Usher wrote: On Feb 19, 3:07 pm, António Marques wrote: The reason I fix Christmas to a Sunday has been my observation that arranging a family Christmas is substantially more convenient when it falls on a weekend than in the middle of the week. Given that Christmas is the most important holiday in the year, should we not all get at least a 3-day weekend, which we have for lesser holidays? Less than around 30% of the world population cares about Christmas or Easter or think that "Christmas is the most important holiday in the year". Well, but for those who don't it doesn't really matter one way or the other what day Christmas and Easter Sunday are, does it? So what relevance do they have for you to bring them along? Or was it just the desire to sound clever? Right, and I figure that my calendar would be no worse than the present for those that don't. Indeed, I considered this problem purely as a logical one; as I've stated, I don't consider myself Christian, I adopted the Church calendar as a base only because it makes the problem more interesting. I didn't consider my calendar complete until I worked out my new leap year rule (Rule #3) - it not only ensures that both Christmas and Easter are within 7-day periods despite being a constant distance from each other and having leap day in between, it simultaneously causes there to be exactly 52 Sundays in every year if you take out Nov. 1 which is All Saints' day; this immediately allows te to draw up a permanent list of the Sundays in the year with their traditional Christian designations, and then follow the perpetual calendar. And I moved the start of the week numbering to August from Nov. 1 so that the academic year and the US football season would be on the fixed schedule, and I think there can be no objection to that. The holidays I consider are Christmas and Easter (and of course the Church festivals fixed to them, but hardly anyone cares anymore), and US Thanksgiving - but other civil holidays could easily be fixed to the same if they are now observed on a Monday, say, or otherwise not fixed to a particular date. Andrew Usher Which academic year are you considering? I can think of several variations - K-12 vs universities and colleges, to begin with, and there are even variations among the K-12 school years in different jurisdictions - and even within the same one, in places where some schools have a year-round schedule. I will confess to being totally indifferent to the US football schedule. In fact, I couldn't tell you what it is now, except for a vague impression that it occurs in the fall, or possibly winter. And have you taken the southern hemisphere into consideration? Our scholastic year is quite different. -- Rob Bannister |
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On Feb 19, 5:07*pm, "Jonathan Morton"
wrote: "Yusuf B Gursey" wrote in ... Easter is a moveable feast, meaning it is not fixed in relation to the civil calendar. The First Council of Nicaea (325) established the date of Easter as the first Sunday after the full moon (the Paschal Full Moon) following the vernal equinox.[3] Ecclesiastically, the equinox is reckoned to be on March 21 (regardless of the astronomically correct date), and the "Full Moon" is not necessarily the astronomically correct date. The date of Easter therefore varies between March 22 and April 25. It does, but at present (certainly until 2199, at which point we move to a new table) it is not capable of falling on 22 March. Of course we had 23 March in 2008 and there's a 24 April coming up next year. Regards Jonathan BTW I didn't write the quoted text. |
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