The strange way Earth dies

There has been a lot of talk about how the operation of the new generation
of atom smashers may be able to make a kind of mater dubbed 'strange'
matter, and how this strange matter may in fact destroy the Earth. Looking
into the whole business, I was surprised to learn that this disaster
scenario is in fact something that should be and has been taken seriously by
many responsible scientists and concerned persons. First the scenario for
disaster:

Scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL) have started to operate
the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) which smashes gold atoms into
each other with such speeds that the energy released far surpasses any
nuclear reaction, and has not been seen since the first few billionths of a
second after the Big Bang. According to Quantum Chromodynamics (QCD), this
energy level should produce a quark-gluon plasma. When the plasma cools down
and begins to recondense into matter, some unstable superheavy forms of
matter with an excess of strange quarks ought to be produced - this is
dubbed a strangelet. If the strangelet is positively charged, the nucleons
of normal matter will be repelled by it and any strangelet lasting less then
a nanosecond will decay into normal hadronic matter, thus offering no
danger. A negatively charged strangelet is a different beast. The strangelet
is so massive that it 'sparks' the vacuum surrounding it, producing
electrons and positrons. The positrons will combine with the electrons of an
ordinary atom, exposing the positively charged nucleus which then will be
attracted to the strangelets negative charge and be absorbed by it, feeding
the strangelet and making it more stable and able to absorb more atoms.

Once this process starts, there is no way to stop it. If the unstable
strangelet that is produced in the collider experiment lasts long enough to
hit the containment wall of the reaction chamber (where its food is), it
will become stable and permanent after absorbing as few as a hundred
protons. After mingling, and feeding within the containment vessel and the
superconducting magnets, it will begin a trip down towards the center of the
earth, eating atoms and getting larger all the way down. The strangelet will
release a lot of radiation as it gobbles up matter and grows. Eventually,
there will be the equivalent of a star -a strange star- at the earth's
center releasing horrendous quantities of energy as the earth begins to
infall in bigger and bigger chunks.

How long it will take for the entire earth to be absorbed and converted into
a lump of strange matter about the size of a 2 story house? NO one really
knows. It could take days, or months. No one thinks it could take years, or
be within mere hours- so we will have plenty of time to comprehend what is
going to kill us, and the nightmarish manner of our eventual individual
deaths. We would feel the effects well before we die in the strangelet.
There would be earthquakes, mild at first, but getting stronger as time
passes. They would occur regularly and eventually continuously. There would
be Tsunamis which would drown the populations near the shores of the earth's
oceans. Weather would be affected as well. The massive heating of the
planet's crust would permanently alter the ocean's currents and cause
violent storms unlike anything we can imagine today - and that would only be
the beginning. Changes to the planet would be terminal. Eventually the
energy released by infalling matter would cause the earth's core to expand
which would rupture the crust and release toxic gasses, and bubble magma
onto the continental plates, which would eventually sink into the ocean of
molten rock and killing most of the life on our planet. Eventually, as the
core gets absorbed, it will collapse back onto the strangelet and 'drain'
into it. Without anything to support it, what is left of the Earths' crust
collapses and is pulverized then liquefied and sucked into the strangelet.

If you were on the moon watching this, eventually, you would be standing on
a lone planetary body orbiting a lump of strange matter with the earth's
mass and having the size of a typical 2 story house. It would be glowing
white hot, but would begin to cool down, turning into a lifeless strange
planet in a few hundred million years.

The scary part of the story is that particle scientists say it is not
fiction - that every time they run a particle experiment using the new
generation of relativistic colliders, we run the small risk of having
exactly this happen. There have been several lawsuits in the USA seeking to
stop the indicated experiments until the analysis and risk effects have been
fully understood, but they have been dismissed in court. Scientists have
been saying the risk is 'very low' that this will happen. But, how low does
it have to be when you are talking about the complete and total destruction
of the earth and everything on it?

You decide how much your life and the lives of your children are worth. What
is your future worth?

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.

"Greysky" wrote in
:

There has been a lot of talk about how the operation of the new
generation of atom smashers may be able to make a kind of mater dubbed
'strange' matter, and how this strange matter may in fact destroy the
Earth. Looking into the whole business, I was surprised to learn that
this disaster scenario is in fact something that should be and has
been taken seriously by many responsible scientists and concerned
persons. First the scenario for disaster:

Scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL) have started to
operate
the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) which smashes gold atoms
into each other with such speeds that the energy released far
surpasses any nuclear reaction, and has not been seen since the first
few billionths of a second after the Big Bang. According to Quantum
Chromodynamics (QCD), this energy level should produce a quark-gluon
plasma. When the plasma cools down and begins to recondense into
matter, some unstable superheavy forms of matter with an excess of
strange quarks ought to be produced - this is dubbed a strangelet. If
the strangelet is positively charged, the nucleons of normal matter
will be repelled by it and any strangelet lasting less then a
nanosecond will decay into normal hadronic matter, thus offering no
danger. A negatively charged strangelet is a different beast. The
strangelet is so massive that it 'sparks' the vacuum surrounding it,
producing electrons and positrons. The positrons will combine with the
electrons of an ordinary atom, exposing the positively charged nucleus
which then will be attracted to the strangelets negative charge and be
absorbed by it, feeding the strangelet and making it more stable and
able to absorb more atoms.


Dead on arrival. Far higher energy cosmic rays have been bombarding the
earth for billions of years. The Earth appears to have not been
destroyed yet.

Klazmon.

SNIP

Greysky wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about how the operation of the new generation
of atom smashers may be able to make a kind of mater dubbed 'strange'
matter, and how this strange matter may in fact destroy the Earth. Looking
into the whole business, I was surprised to learn that this disaster
scenario is in fact something that should be and has been taken seriously by
many responsible scientists and concerned persons. First the scenario for
disaster:

Scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL) have started to operate
the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) which smashes gold atoms into
each other with such speeds that the energy released far surpasses any
nuclear reaction, and has not been seen since the first few billionths of a
second after the Big Bang. According to Quantum Chromodynamics (QCD), this
energy level should produce a quark-gluon plasma. When the plasma cools down
and begins to recondense into matter, some unstable superheavy forms of
matter with an excess of strange quarks ought to be produced - this is
dubbed a strangelet. If the strangelet is positively charged, the nucleons
of normal matter will be repelled by it and any strangelet lasting less then
a nanosecond will decay into normal hadronic matter, thus offering no
danger. A negatively charged strangelet is a different beast. The strangelet
is so massive that it 'sparks' the vacuum surrounding it, producing
electrons and positrons. The positrons will combine with the electrons of an
ordinary atom, exposing the positively charged nucleus which then will be
attracted to the strangelets negative charge and be absorbed by it, feeding
the strangelet and making it more stable and able to absorb more atoms.

Once this process starts, there is no way to stop it. If the unstable
strangelet that is produced in the collider experiment lasts long enough to
hit the containment wall of the reaction chamber (where its food is), it
will become stable and permanent after absorbing as few as a hundred
protons. After mingling, and feeding within the containment vessel and the
superconducting magnets, it will begin a trip down towards the center of the
earth, eating atoms and getting larger all the way down. The strangelet will
release a lot of radiation as it gobbles up matter and grows. Eventually,
there will be the equivalent of a star -a strange star- at the earth's
center releasing horrendous quantities of energy as the earth begins to
infall in bigger and bigger chunks.

How long it will take for the entire earth to be absorbed and converted into
a lump of strange matter about the size of a 2 story house? NO one really
knows. It could take days, or months. No one thinks it could take years, or
be within mere hours- so we will have plenty of time to comprehend what is
going to kill us, and the nightmarish manner of our eventual individual
deaths. We would feel the effects well before we die in the strangelet.
There would be earthquakes, mild at first, but getting stronger as time
passes. They would occur regularly and eventually continuously. There would
be Tsunamis which would drown the populations near the shores of the earth's
oceans. Weather would be affected as well. The massive heating of the
planet's crust would permanently alter the ocean's currents and cause
violent storms unlike anything we can imagine today - and that would only be
the beginning. Changes to the planet would be terminal. Eventually the
energy released by infalling matter would cause the earth's core to expand
which would rupture the crust and release toxic gasses, and bubble magma
onto the continental plates, which would eventually sink into the ocean of
molten rock and killing most of the life on our planet. Eventually, as the
core gets absorbed, it will collapse back onto the strangelet and 'drain'
into it. Without anything to support it, what is left of the Earths' crust
collapses and is pulverized then liquefied and sucked into the strangelet.

If you were on the moon watching this, eventually, you would be standing on
a lone planetary body orbiting a lump of strange matter with the earth's
mass and having the size of a typical 2 story house. It would be glowing
white hot, but would begin to cool down, turning into a lifeless strange
planet in a few hundred million years.

The scary part of the story is that particle scientists say it is not
fiction - that every time they run a particle experiment using the new
generation of relativistic colliders, we run the small risk of having
exactly this happen. There have been several lawsuits in the USA seeking to
stop the indicated experiments until the analysis and risk effects have been
fully understood, but they have been dismissed in court. Scientists have
been saying the risk is 'very low' that this will happen. But, how low does
it have to be when you are talking about the complete and total destruction
of the earth and everything on it?

You decide how much your life and the lives of your children are worth. What
is your future worth?

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.


Did you say, earthquakes, tsunamis, violent storms, and volcanic
eruptions?

I think it may already be too late, Greysky!

See the thread, "More Troubling Planetary News".

Double-A

Greysky wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about how the operation of the new generation
of atom smashers may be able to make a kind of mater dubbed 'strange'
matter, and how this strange matter may in fact destroy the Earth.

SNIP


A negatively charged strangelet is a different beast. The strangelet
is so massive that it 'sparks' the vacuum surrounding it, producing
electrons and positrons.


Interesting. But why does the strangelet spark the vacuum with its
mass? I don't see the connection there. And why should such sparking
produce electrons and positrons and not other particle types?


The positrons will combine with the electrons of an
ordinary atom, exposing the positively charged nucleus which then will be
attracted to the strangelets negative charge and be absorbed by it, feeding
the strangelet and making it more stable and able to absorb more atoms.


And why should the atom be absorbed into the strangelet? Why would we
not expect the naked nucleus to gang up on it and destroy it?

Greysky wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about how the operation of the new generation
of atom smashers may be able to make a kind of mater dubbed 'strange'
matter, and how this strange matter may in fact destroy the Earth.

The "new generation of atom smashers" is at least five orders
of magnitude less energetic that the atom smashing going on
right over your head!

"Sam Wormley" wrote in message
news:NPmBe.151056$x96.130227@attbi_s72...
Greysky wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about how the operation of the new
generation of atom smashers may be able to make a kind of mater dubbed
'strange' matter, and how this strange matter may in fact destroy the
Earth.

The "new generation of atom smashers" is at least five orders
of magnitude less energetic that the atom smashing going on
right over your head!


True, except for the fact that those particles are by far hydrogen and
helium nuclei - much less massive. Also, the target, our upper atmosphere is
not relativistically accelerated. Those gold atoms are both moving into
each other at relativistic speeds. It also means the more powerful our
accelerators become, the bigger the danger gets. What is means is that the
human race probably has a bit more time to move these type experiments
off-world, where we wont soil our nest if things get goofy.

Greysky

"Greysky" wrote in message
...
|
| "Sam Wormley" wrote in message
| news:NPmBe.151056$x96.130227@attbi_s72...
| Greysky wrote:
| There has been a lot of talk about how the operation of the new
| generation of atom smashers may be able to make a kind of mater
dubbed
| 'strange' matter, and how this strange matter may in fact destroy
the
| Earth.
|
| The "new generation of atom smashers" is at least five orders
| of magnitude less energetic that the atom smashing going on
| right over your head!
|
|
| True, except for the fact that those particles are by far hydrogen and
| helium nuclei - much less massive. Also, the target, our upper
atmosphere is
| not relativistically accelerated. Those gold atoms are both moving
into
| each other at relativistic speeds. It also means the more powerful our
| accelerators become, the bigger the danger gets. What is means is that
the
| human race probably has a bit more time to move these type experiments
| off-world, where we wont soil our nest if things get goofy.

Do you know what 5 orders of magnitude means? If extra compact
dimension exist, LHC at CERN might be able to make mini quantum black
holes when it starts up in a couple of years. If so, then they are
being made right now over your head. Do you have some whining to do
about that? ;-)

FrediFizzx

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...uum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/qu...cuum_charge.ps

What? Bitching about cloning is not "in" anymore? Please lets be reasonable
here and not jump the doomday wagon every time some new progress in science
happens.
"Greysky" wrote in message
...
There has been a lot of talk about how the operation of the new generation
of atom smashers may be able to make a kind of mater dubbed 'strange'
matter, and how this strange matter may in fact destroy the Earth. Looking
into the whole business, I was surprised to learn that this disaster
scenario is in fact something that should be and has been taken seriously
by many responsible scientists and concerned persons. First the scenario
for disaster:

Scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL) have started to operate
the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) which smashes gold atoms into
each other with such speeds that the energy released far surpasses any
nuclear reaction, and has not been seen since the first few billionths of
a second after the Big Bang. According to Quantum Chromodynamics (QCD),
this energy level should produce a quark-gluon plasma. When the plasma
cools down and begins to recondense into matter, some unstable superheavy
forms of matter with an excess of strange quarks ought to be produced -
this is dubbed a strangelet. If the strangelet is positively charged, the
nucleons of normal matter will be repelled by it and any strangelet
lasting less then a nanosecond will decay into normal hadronic matter,
thus offering no danger. A negatively charged strangelet is a different
beast. The strangelet is so massive that it 'sparks' the vacuum
surrounding it, producing electrons and positrons. The positrons will
combine with the electrons of an ordinary atom, exposing the positively
charged nucleus which then will be attracted to the strangelets negative
charge and be absorbed by it, feeding the strangelet and making it more
stable and able to absorb more atoms.

Once this process starts, there is no way to stop it. If the unstable
strangelet that is produced in the collider experiment lasts long enough
to hit the containment wall of the reaction chamber (where its food is),
it will become stable and permanent after absorbing as few as a hundred
protons. After mingling, and feeding within the containment vessel and the
superconducting magnets, it will begin a trip down towards the center of
the earth, eating atoms and getting larger all the way down. The
strangelet will release a lot of radiation as it gobbles up matter and
grows. Eventually, there will be the equivalent of a star -a strange star-
at the earth's center releasing horrendous quantities of energy as the
earth begins to infall in bigger and bigger chunks.

How long it will take for the entire earth to be absorbed and converted
into a lump of strange matter about the size of a 2 story house? NO one
really knows. It could take days, or months. No one thinks it could take
years, or be within mere hours- so we will have plenty of time to
comprehend what is going to kill us, and the nightmarish manner of our
eventual individual deaths. We would feel the effects well before we die
in the strangelet. There would be earthquakes, mild at first, but getting
stronger as time passes. They would occur regularly and eventually
continuously. There would be Tsunamis which would drown the populations
near the shores of the earth's oceans. Weather would be affected as well.
The massive heating of the planet's crust would permanently alter the
ocean's currents and cause violent storms unlike anything we can imagine
today - and that would only be the beginning. Changes to the planet would
be terminal. Eventually the energy released by infalling matter would
cause the earth's core to expand which would rupture the crust and release
toxic gasses, and bubble magma onto the continental plates, which would
eventually sink into the ocean of molten rock and killing most of the life
on our planet. Eventually, as the core gets absorbed, it will collapse
back onto the strangelet and 'drain' into it. Without anything to support
it, what is left of the Earths' crust collapses and is pulverized then
liquefied and sucked into the strangelet.

If you were on the moon watching this, eventually, you would be standing
on a lone planetary body orbiting a lump of strange matter with the
earth's mass and having the size of a typical 2 story house. It would be
glowing white hot, but would begin to cool down, turning into a lifeless
strange planet in a few hundred million years.

The scary part of the story is that particle scientists say it is not
fiction - that every time they run a particle experiment using the new
generation of relativistic colliders, we run the small risk of having
exactly this happen. There have been several lawsuits in the USA seeking
to stop the indicated experiments until the analysis and risk effects have
been fully understood, but they have been dismissed in court. Scientists
have been saying the risk is 'very low' that this will happen. But, how
low does it have to be when you are talking about the complete and total
destruction of the earth and everything on it?

You decide how much your life and the lives of your children are worth.
What is your future worth?

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.

nightbat wrote

TomGee wrote:

Greysky wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about how the operation of the new generation
of atom smashers may be able to make a kind of mater dubbed 'strange'
matter, and how this strange matter may in fact destroy the Earth.

SNIP


A negatively charged strangelet is a different beast. The strangelet
is so massive that it 'sparks' the vacuum surrounding it, producing
electrons and positrons.


Interesting. But why does the strangelet spark the vacuum with its
mass? I don't see the connection there. And why should such sparking
produce electrons and positrons and not other particle types?


The positrons will combine with the electrons of an
ordinary atom, exposing the positively charged nucleus which then will be
attracted to the strangelets negative charge and be absorbed by it, feeding
the strangelet and making it more stable and able to absorb more atoms.



Tom
And why should the atom be absorbed into the strangelet? Why would we
not expect the naked nucleus to gang up on it and destroy it?

nightbat

Theoretically created form of quantum matter, that's why they
call it a strangelet. It doesn't spark the vacuum with it's mass and is
not antimatter but pure base energy electromagnetic chamber shell free
plasma created nucleus chain reaction, contained initially as form of
newly created super or denser nucleus negative charged plasma. The
results would be potentially uncontrollable and devastating as Officer
Greysky points out for what could stop it? Everything around it suddenly
becomes technically fuel for its continued negative charged core atomic
atoms growing and regular matter absorbing existence. The humanity of it
all, everything, yes, even most of the coffee boys, all sucked in like
grapes to the center of the Earth. With only a few Earth Science Team
Officers and cabin boys permitted to safely escape via the 1st wave
Darla Star Ships. Yes, some will possibly be taken off and saved some
left behind, but all to watch as Officer Greysky reports scenario the
planet slowly caves in on itself.

ponder on,
the nightbat

nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

Greysky wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about how the operation of the new generation
of atom smashers may be able to make a kind of mater dubbed 'strange'
matter, and how this strange matter may in fact destroy the Earth. Looking
into the whole business, I was surprised to learn that this disaster
scenario is in fact something that should be and has been taken seriously by
many responsible scientists and concerned persons. First the scenario for
disaster:

Scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL) have started to operate
the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) which smashes gold atoms into
each other with such speeds that the energy released far surpasses any
nuclear reaction, and has not been seen since the first few billionths of a
second after the Big Bang. According to Quantum Chromodynamics (QCD), this
energy level should produce a quark-gluon plasma. When the plasma cools down
and begins to recondense into matter, some unstable superheavy forms of
matter with an excess of strange quarks ought to be produced - this is
dubbed a strangelet. If the strangelet is positively charged, the nucleons
of normal matter will be repelled by it and any strangelet lasting less then
a nanosecond will decay into normal hadronic matter, thus offering no
danger. A negatively charged strangelet is a different beast. The strangelet
is so massive that it 'sparks' the vacuum surrounding it, producing
electrons and positrons. The positrons will combine with the electrons of an
ordinary atom, exposing the positively charged nucleus which then will be
attracted to the strangelets negative charge and be absorbed by it, feeding
the strangelet and making it more stable and able to absorb more atoms.

Once this process starts, there is no way to stop it. If the unstable
strangelet that is produced in the collider experiment lasts long enough to
hit the containment wall of the reaction chamber (where its food is), it
will become stable and permanent after absorbing as few as a hundred
protons. After mingling, and feeding within the containment vessel and the
superconducting magnets, it will begin a trip down towards the center of the
earth, eating atoms and getting larger all the way down. The strangelet will
release a lot of radiation as it gobbles up matter and grows. Eventually,
there will be the equivalent of a star -a strange star- at the earth's
center releasing horrendous quantities of energy as the earth begins to
infall in bigger and bigger chunks.

How long it will take for the entire earth to be absorbed and converted into
a lump of strange matter about the size of a 2 story house? NO one really
knows. It could take days, or months. No one thinks it could take years, or
be within mere hours- so we will have plenty of time to comprehend what is
going to kill us, and the nightmarish manner of our eventual individual
deaths. We would feel the effects well before we die in the strangelet.
There would be earthquakes, mild at first, but getting stronger as time
passes. They would occur regularly and eventually continuously. There would
be Tsunamis which would drown the populations near the shores of the earth's
oceans. Weather would be affected as well. The massive heating of the
planet's crust would permanently alter the ocean's currents and cause
violent storms unlike anything we can imagine today - and that would only be
the beginning. Changes to the planet would be terminal. Eventually the
energy released by infalling matter would cause the earth's core to expand
which would rupture the crust and release toxic gasses, and bubble magma
onto the continental plates, which would eventually sink into the ocean of
molten rock and killing most of the life on our planet. Eventually, as the
core gets absorbed, it will collapse back onto the strangelet and 'drain'
into it. Without anything to support it, what is left of the Earths' crust
collapses and is pulverized then liquefied and sucked into the strangelet.

If you were on the moon watching this, eventually, you would be standing on
a lone planetary body orbiting a lump of strange matter with the earth's
mass and having the size of a typical 2 story house. It would be glowing
white hot, but would begin to cool down, turning into a lifeless strange
planet in a few hundred million years.

The scary part of the story is that particle scientists say it is not
fiction - that every time they run a particle experiment using the new
generation of relativistic colliders, we run the small risk of having
exactly this happen. There have been several lawsuits in the USA seeking to
stop the indicated experiments until the analysis and risk effects have been
fully understood, but they have been dismissed in court. Scientists have
been saying the risk is 'very low' that this will happen. But, how low does
it have to be when you are talking about the complete and total destruction
of the earth and everything on it?

You decide how much your life and the lives of your children are worth. What
is your future worth?

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.

Double-A
Did you say, earthquakes, tsunamis, violent storms, and volcanic
eruptions?

I think it may already be too late, Greysky!

See the thread, "More Troubling Planetary News".

Double-A

nightbat

Yes, perhaps you're right Officer Double-A, now you know why the
urgency of the need for the Darla Star Ships. The planet is observably
rocking from enormous effects of possible negative nuclear runaway power
plant disaster and tests. Who knows, but the planetary signs are all
correlating to Officer Greysky's scenario, sad and very troubling
indeed. How much time do we have for instance before the Russian
cemented over failed nuclear power plant fuel leaks out and reaches the
center of the Earth is unknown? Or have nuclear scientist's already
actually created the pure negative charged nucleus and are trying to
contain it? Where did Officer Greysky get his secret technical
information from, the future? Or from scientific journals hailing their
undaunted progress towards strangelet matter creation?

ponder on,
the nightbat