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Brave Researcher Contemplates Moon Wobble
Unlike the scientific cowards on this kook astronomy newsgroup, some
brave researchers hit the mark. -- MOON WOBBLE: MAY NOT BE POETRY OF NIBIRU Date: Sunday, 8 August 2004, 10:16 a.m. In recent weeks, as a result of exchanges of information with a number of RMN agents, those in what I call the Lunar Lunacy group - Cliff, Mammonator, Freedom4ever, Farsight, Questionary, White Raven and others - as well as discussions and brainstorming with several of my own contacts, including an amateur geologist with whom I work. I have developed some thoughts on what might be causing the earth wobble that is almost certainly occurring. Additionally, I have developed some mathmatic and experimental techniques for testing the theories that are being advanced to explain this phenomena. Using the principle that the earth and the moon are tidally locked and therefore changes in the gravitational fields of the larger would be magnified on the other by an arithmatic function of the differences in their size I concluded that if their is a perceived movement of the smaller from a perspective on the larger, then the other than normal components of that movement would be from the larger to the smaller by a factor related to their relative mass. Using the notion then, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction the I concluded that if the earth is 4 times the size of the moon then whatever wobble the earth is expressing would affect the moon by a factor of three to four. I have calculated the "earth wobble at approximately 10 - 15 degrees north south of either side of the equator (total of 20 - 30 degrees), with a corresponding wobble on the part of the moon of between 40 - 60 degrees with the normal seven degrees factored in for a total wobble on the earth of 20 - 30 degrees and 46 - 66 degrees on the moon. A fifteen degree wobble over a 12 hour period would amount to one hour of movement, or approximately 1,000 miles over 12 hours, that would be at a speed of 83 miles an hour which could easily pass unnoticed in th atmosphere. I have already made note that tides would only be affected in the North/south directions against east/west running coastlines, otherwise the East west currents would largely remain undisturbed. I spoke with my son on the Gulf coast a couple of months ago and he tells me that the high and low tides have been unusually high and unusually low by a factor of about 6 feet. I also saw a story on RMN about an Alaskan village that is being inundated by higher tides and also a story about the ice caps melting much faster than anticipated. If the ice caps are melting, and the one in the North is all water and the one in the South is half water and half earth, then the effect of the ice melting in both locations would be similar to adding a weight onto a harmonic balancer and therefore counter weighting it. What would happen to an harmonic balancer that was spinning at a thousand miles per hour and you suddenly redistributed the weight from one side to the other, or spread it around? Do you suppose it might wobble? I think the recent solar storms may be causing more trouble that we even suspected. Currently most scientists think that Global Warming is about 97% the result of solar activity. About two percent geological and about 1 percent human. If we are heating up even faster than anticipated this wobble may be being caused by that magnified redistribution of wieght. The only problem with this senario is that as it increases, by dragging the wobble to the overweighted side, in short dipping the equator south, it decreases the albedo - amount of sunlight reflected from a surface - of the sunlight as it strikes the northern polar caps and that means the ice absorbs more of the ultraviolet radiation rather than reflecting it and therefore increases the temperature of the ice. This of course incrteases the speed with which the ice will melt which in turn increases the counterbalancing redistribution of weight. The upside is, we should be able to test this theory against real events. By observing the lunar libration we should be able to calculate both the degree and rate of wobble and therefore determine if the problem is progressive, or intermittent. I hope for intermittent and reflect on warning my friends if it is progressive. Hang on Cliff, we are in for a bit of a ride... Resistance is Strapped In... |
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"Mad Scientist" , winner of the July 2004 Victor Von Framkenstein Weird Science Award, wrote in message . rogers.com... Read onto the rebuttle I posted about global warming. The "researchers" Mad "Scientist" promotes are known nitwits. Unlike the scientific cowards on this kook astronomy newsgroup, some brave researchers hit the mark. -- MOON WOBBLE: MAY NOT BE POETRY OF NIBIRU Date: Sunday, 8 August 2004, 10:16 a.m. In recent weeks, as a result of exchanges of information with a number of RMN agents, those in what I call the Lunar Lunacy group - Cliff, Mammonator, Freedom4ever, Farsight, Questionary, White Raven and others - as well as discussions and brainstorming with several of my own contacts, including an amateur geologist with whom I work. I have developed some thoughts on what might be causing the earth wobble that is almost certainly occurring. Additionally, I have developed some mathmatic and experimental techniques for testing the theories that are being advanced to explain this phenomena. Using the principle that the earth and the moon are tidally locked and therefore changes in the gravitational fields of the larger would be magnified on the other by an arithmatic function of the differences in their size I concluded that if their is a perceived movement of the smaller from a perspective on the larger, then the other than normal components of that movement would be from the larger to the smaller by a factor related to their relative mass. Using the notion then, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction the I concluded that if the earth is 4 times the size of the moon then whatever wobble the earth is expressing would affect the moon by a factor of three to four. I have calculated the "earth wobble at approximately 10 - 15 degrees north south of either side of the equator (total of 20 - 30 degrees), with a corresponding wobble on the part of the moon of between 40 - 60 degrees with the normal seven degrees factored in for a total wobble on the earth of 20 - 30 degrees and 46 - 66 degrees on the moon. A fifteen degree wobble over a 12 hour period would amount to one hour of movement, or approximately 1,000 miles over 12 hours, that would be at a speed of 83 miles an hour which could easily pass unnoticed in th atmosphere. I have already made note that tides would only be affected in the North/south directions against east/west running coastlines, otherwise the East west currents would largely remain undisturbed. I spoke with my son on the Gulf coast a couple of months ago and he tells me that the high and low tides have been unusually high and unusually low by a factor of about 6 feet. I also saw a story on RMN about an Alaskan village that is being inundated by higher tides and also a story about the ice caps melting much faster than anticipated. If the ice caps are melting, and the one in the North is all water and the one in the South is half water and half earth, then the effect of the ice melting in both locations would be similar to adding a weight onto a harmonic balancer and therefore counter weighting it. What would happen to an harmonic balancer that was spinning at a thousand miles per hour and you suddenly redistributed the weight from one side to the other, or spread it around? Do you suppose it might wobble? I think the recent solar storms may be causing more trouble that we even suspected. Currently most scientists think that Global Warming is about 97% the result of solar activity. Rubbish. kooks playing at science often make such outrageous claims, but never, ever present evidence Here's a RECENT article. "Andrew Yee" wrote in message m... Press and Public Relations Department Max Planck Society for the Advancement of Science Munich, Germany Contact: Prof. Sami K. Solanki Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau Tel.: +49 5556 979-325 Fax: +49 5556 979-190 E-mail: Prof. Manfred Schüssler Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau Tel.: +49 5556 979-469 Fax: +49 5556 979-190 E-mail: August 2nd, 2004 SP / C / 2004 (26) How Strongly Does the Sun Influence the Global Climate? Studies at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research reveal: solar activity affects the climate but plays only a minor role in the current global warming Since the middle of the last century, the Sun is in a phase of unusually high activity, as indicated by frequent occurrences of sunspots, gas eruptions, and radiation storms. Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research (MPS) in Katlenburg-Lindau (Germany) and at the University of Oulu (Finland) have come to this conclusion after they have succeeded in reconstructing the solar activity based on the sunspot frequency since 850 AD. To this end, they have combined historical sunspot records with measurements of the frequency of radioactive isotopes in ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic. As the scientists have reported in the renowned scientific journal, Physical Review Letters, since 1940 the mean sunspot number is higher than it has ever been in the last thousand years and two and a half times higher than the long term average. The temporal variation in the solar activity displays a similarity to that of the mean temperature of the Earth. These scientific results therefore bring the influence of the Sun on the terrestrial climate, and in particular its contribution to the global warming of the 20th century, into the forefront of current interest. However, researchers at the MPS have shown that the Sun can be responsible for, at most, only a small part of the warming over the last 20-30 years. They took the measured and calculated variations in the solar brightness over the last 150 years and compared them to the temperature of the Earth. Although the changes in the two values tend to follow each other for roughly the first 120 years, the Earth's temperature has risen dramatically in the last 30 years while the solar brightness has not appreciably increased in this time. Astronomers have regularly observed sunspots since the invention of the telescope in the early 17th century. These are areas on the surface of the Sun where energy flow from the interior is reduced due to the strong magnetic fields that they exhibit. As a result, these regions cool by about 1500 deg and thus appear relatively darker than their surroundings at 5800 deg. The number of sunspots varies over an 11-year activity period, which in turn is subject to longer term variations. For example, in the second half of the 17th century, there were hardly any sunspots at all. The German-Finnish research team has now applied a new method to obtain insight into the development of the sunspot number from before the beginning of direct records. In addition, these experts have analyzed measured abundances of beryllium-10 in ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic. This radioactive isotope is created when energetic particles in cosmic rays enter the Earth's atmosphere and split atomic nuclei of nitrogen and oxygen. Beryllium-10 (half-life 1.6 million years) is a product of this decay process, which is then washed out of the atmosphere by precipitation and then deposited in layers in the polar ice fields. Since the cosmic rays are partially deflected by the solar magnetic field filling interplanetary space, the production rate of Beryllium-10 in the atmosphere varies with the strength of this magnetic field, which in turn is associated with the number of sunspots. A comparison of the Beryllium-10 data with the historical records of sunspot numbers reveals a high degree of correlation. Thus it was possible for the researchers to test and calibrate this new reconstruction method. The solar research team has managed, for the first time, to substantiate with consistent physical models every link in the complex chain, from the isotope abundance in the ice back to the sunspot number. This includes the creation of Beryllium-10 by cosmic rays, the modulation of the cosmic rays by the interplanetary magnetic field, and finally the relationship between the solar magnetic field and the number of sunspots. In this way it was possible for the scientists to obtain, for the first time, a reliable, quantitative determination of the sunspot numbers even for times before direct measurements were made. These data show clearly that the Sun is in a state of unusually high activity, for about the last 60 years. The time interval for which this statement can be made has been tripled by these new investigations, for now the reconstructed sunspot numbers extend back to 850 AD. Another period of enhanced solar activity, but with substantially fewer sunspots than now, occurred in the Middle Ages from 1100 to 1250. At that time, a warm period reigned over the Earth, as the Vikings established flourishing settlements in Greenland. The Sun affects the climate through several physical processes: For one thing, the total radiation, particularly that in the ultraviolet range, varies with solar activity. When many sunspots are visible, the Sun is somewhat brighter than in "quiet" times and radiates considerably more in the ultraviolet. On the other hand, the cosmic ray intensity entering the Earth's atmosphere varies opposite to the solar activity, since the cosmic ray particles are deflected by the Sun's magnetic field to a greater or lesser degree. According to a much discussed model proposed by Danish researchers, the ions produced by cosmic rays act as condensation nuclei for larger suspension particles and thus contribute to cloud formation. With increased solar activity (and stronger magnetic fields), the cosmic ray intensity decreases, and with it the amount of cloud coverage, resulting in a rise of temperatures on the Earth. Conversely, a reduction in solar activity produces lower temperatures. Two scientists from the MPI for Solar System Research have calculated for the last 150 years the Sun's main parameters affecting climate, using current measurements and the newest models: the total radiation, the ultraviolet output, and the Sun's magnetic field (which modulates the cosmic ray intensity). They come to the conclusion that the variations on the Sun run parallel to climate changes for most of that time, indicating that the Sun has indeed influenced the climate in the past. Just how large this influence is, is subject to further investigation. However, it is also clear that since about 1980, while the total solar radiation, its ultraviolet component, and the cosmic ray intensity all exhibit the 11-year solar periodicity, there has otherwise been no significant increase in their values. In contrast, the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming. These findings bring the question as to what is the connection between variations in solar activity and the terrestrial climate into the focal point of current research. The influence of the Sun on the Earth is seen increasingly as one cause of the observed global warming since 1900, along with the emission of the greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide, from the combustion of coal, gas, and oil. "Just how large this role is, must still be investigated, since, according to our latest knowledge on the variations of the solar magnetic field, the significant increase in the Earth's temperature since 1980 is indeed to be ascribed to the greenhouse effect caused by carbon dioxide," says Prof. Sami K. Solanki, solar physicist and director at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research. Original work: Krivova N.A., Solanki S.K. Solar Variability and Global Warming: A Statistical Comparison Since 1850 Adv. Space Res. 34, 361-364 (2004) Ilya G. Usoskin, Sami K. Solanki, Manfred Schüssler, Kalevi Mursula, Katja Alanko A Millennium Scale Sunspot Reconstruction: Evidence For an Unusually Active Sun Since the 1940's Physical Review Letters 91, 211101-1--211101-4 (2003) Sami K. Solanki, Natalie A. Krivova Can Solar Variability Explain Global Warming Since 1970? Journal of Geophysical Research 108, 1200 (2003) IMAGE CAPTIONS: [Fig.1: http://www.mpg.de/bilderBerichteDoku...lerie/bilderWi ssenschaft/2003/10/schuessler1/Web_Zoom.jpeg (185KB)] Extended group of sunspots visible in the southern hemisphere of the Sun in September 1998. These sunspots are fascinating not only due to their large size, but also due to their detailed structure that reveals a dynamic complexity. The smallest visible features are about 350 km across, the entire area covers about 200,000 km in the horizontal direction. The sub-pictures in this mosaic were obtained with the German Vacuum Tower Telescope at the Observatorio del Teide (Teneriffe). Image: Kiepenheuer Institute for Solar Physics, Freiburg im Breisgau [Fig. 2: http://www.mpg.de/bilderBerichteDoku...lerie/bilderWi ssenschaft/2003/10/schuessler2/Web_Zoom.jpeg (135KB)] A large sunspot visible on the Sun in June 2000. The picture shows a section of the Sun's surface 80,000 by 80,000 km across. Sunspots appear darker than their surroundings because their strong magnetic fields suppress the energy transported by gas flows. This picture was taken with the German Vacuum Tower Telescope at the Observatorio del Teide (Teneriffe). Image: Kiepenheuer Institute for Solar Physics, Freiburg im Breisgau So is the rest of the stuff |
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Wally the dumbass imbecile again proves how stupid he is.
Wally Anglesea wrote: "Mad Scientist" , winner of the July 2004 Victor Von Framkenstein Weird Science Award, wrote in message . rogers.com... Read onto the rebuttle I posted about global warming. The "researchers" Mad "Scientist" promotes are known nitwits. Unlike the scientific cowards on this kook astronomy newsgroup, some brave researchers hit the mark. -- MOON WOBBLE: MAY NOT BE POETRY OF NIBIRU Date: Sunday, 8 August 2004, 10:16 a.m. In recent weeks, as a result of exchanges of information with a number of RMN agents, those in what I call the Lunar Lunacy group - Cliff, Mammonator, Freedom4ever, Farsight, Questionary, White Raven and others - as well as discussions and brainstorming with several of my own contacts, including an amateur geologist with whom I work. I have developed some thoughts on what might be causing the earth wobble that is almost certainly occurring. Additionally, I have developed some mathmatic and experimental techniques for testing the theories that are being advanced to explain this phenomena. Using the principle that the earth and the moon are tidally locked and therefore changes in the gravitational fields of the larger would be magnified on the other by an arithmatic function of the differences in their size I concluded that if their is a perceived movement of the smaller from a perspective on the larger, then the other than normal components of that movement would be from the larger to the smaller by a factor related to their relative mass. Using the notion then, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction the I concluded that if the earth is 4 times the size of the moon then whatever wobble the earth is expressing would affect the moon by a factor of three to four. I have calculated the "earth wobble at approximately 10 - 15 degrees north south of either side of the equator (total of 20 - 30 degrees), with a corresponding wobble on the part of the moon of between 40 - 60 degrees with the normal seven degrees factored in for a total wobble on the earth of 20 - 30 degrees and 46 - 66 degrees on the moon. A fifteen degree wobble over a 12 hour period would amount to one hour of movement, or approximately 1,000 miles over 12 hours, that would be at a speed of 83 miles an hour which could easily pass unnoticed in th atmosphere. I have already made note that tides would only be affected in the North/south directions against east/west running coastlines, otherwise the East west currents would largely remain undisturbed. I spoke with my son on the Gulf coast a couple of months ago and he tells me that the high and low tides have been unusually high and unusually low by a factor of about 6 feet. I also saw a story on RMN about an Alaskan village that is being inundated by higher tides and also a story about the ice caps melting much faster than anticipated. If the ice caps are melting, and the one in the North is all water and the one in the South is half water and half earth, then the effect of the ice melting in both locations would be similar to adding a weight onto a harmonic balancer and therefore counter weighting it. What would happen to an harmonic balancer that was spinning at a thousand miles per hour and you suddenly redistributed the weight from one side to the other, or spread it around? Do you suppose it might wobble? I think the recent solar storms may be causing more trouble that we even suspected. Currently most scientists think that Global Warming is about 97% the result of solar activity. Rubbish. kooks playing at science often make such outrageous claims, but never, ever present evidence Here's a RECENT article. "Andrew Yee" wrote in message m... Press and Public Relations Department Max Planck Society for the Advancement of Science Munich, Germany Contact: Prof. Sami K. Solanki Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau Tel.: +49 5556 979-325 Fax: +49 5556 979-190 E-mail: Prof. Manfred Schüssler Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau Tel.: +49 5556 979-469 Fax: +49 5556 979-190 E-mail: August 2nd, 2004 SP / C / 2004 (26) How Strongly Does the Sun Influence the Global Climate? Studies at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research reveal: solar activity affects the climate but plays only a minor role in the current global warming Since the middle of the last century, the Sun is in a phase of unusually high activity, as indicated by frequent occurrences of sunspots, gas eruptions, and radiation storms. Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research (MPS) in Katlenburg-Lindau (Germany) and at the University of Oulu (Finland) have come to this conclusion after they have succeeded in reconstructing the solar activity based on the sunspot frequency since 850 AD. To this end, they have combined historical sunspot records with measurements of the frequency of radioactive isotopes in ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic. As the scientists have reported in the renowned scientific journal, Physical Review Letters, since 1940 the mean sunspot number is higher than it has ever been in the last thousand years and two and a half times higher than the long term average. The temporal variation in the solar activity displays a similarity to that of the mean temperature of the Earth. These scientific results therefore bring the influence of the Sun on the terrestrial climate, and in particular its contribution to the global warming of the 20th century, into the forefront of current interest. However, researchers at the MPS have shown that the Sun can be responsible for, at most, only a small part of the warming over the last 20-30 years. They took the measured and calculated variations in the solar brightness over the last 150 years and compared them to the temperature of the Earth. Although the changes in the two values tend to follow each other for roughly the first 120 years, the Earth's temperature has risen dramatically in the last 30 years while the solar brightness has not appreciably increased in this time. Astronomers have regularly observed sunspots since the invention of the telescope in the early 17th century. These are areas on the surface of the Sun where energy flow from the interior is reduced due to the strong magnetic fields that they exhibit. As a result, these regions cool by about 1500 deg and thus appear relatively darker than their surroundings at 5800 deg. The number of sunspots varies over an 11-year activity period, which in turn is subject to longer term variations. For example, in the second half of the 17th century, there were hardly any sunspots at all. The German-Finnish research team has now applied a new method to obtain insight into the development of the sunspot number from before the beginning of direct records. In addition, these experts have analyzed measured abundances of beryllium-10 in ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic. This radioactive isotope is created when energetic particles in cosmic rays enter the Earth's atmosphere and split atomic nuclei of nitrogen and oxygen. Beryllium-10 (half-life 1.6 million years) is a product of this decay process, which is then washed out of the atmosphere by precipitation and then deposited in layers in the polar ice fields. Since the cosmic rays are partially deflected by the solar magnetic field filling interplanetary space, the production rate of Beryllium-10 in the atmosphere varies with the strength of this magnetic field, which in turn is associated with the number of sunspots. A comparison of the Beryllium-10 data with the historical records of sunspot numbers reveals a high degree of correlation. Thus it was possible for the researchers to test and calibrate this new reconstruction method. The solar research team has managed, for the first time, to substantiate with consistent physical models every link in the complex chain, from the isotope abundance in the ice back to the sunspot number. This includes the creation of Beryllium-10 by cosmic rays, the modulation of the cosmic rays by the interplanetary magnetic field, and finally the relationship between the solar magnetic field and the number of sunspots. In this way it was possible for the scientists to obtain, for the first time, a reliable, quantitative determination of the sunspot numbers even for times before direct measurements were made. These data show clearly that the Sun is in a state of unusually high activity, for about the last 60 years. The time interval for which this statement can be made has been tripled by these new investigations, for now the reconstructed sunspot numbers extend back to 850 AD. Another period of enhanced solar activity, but with substantially fewer sunspots than now, occurred in the Middle Ages from 1100 to 1250. At that time, a warm period reigned over the Earth, as the Vikings established flourishing settlements in Greenland. The Sun affects the climate through several physical processes: For one thing, the total radiation, particularly that in the ultraviolet range, varies with solar activity. When many sunspots are visible, the Sun is somewhat brighter than in "quiet" times and radiates considerably more in the ultraviolet. On the other hand, the cosmic ray intensity entering the Earth's atmosphere varies opposite to the solar activity, since the cosmic ray particles are deflected by the Sun's magnetic field to a greater or lesser degree. According to a much discussed model proposed by Danish researchers, the ions produced by cosmic rays act as condensation nuclei for larger suspension particles and thus contribute to cloud formation. With increased solar activity (and stronger magnetic fields), the cosmic ray intensity decreases, and with it the amount of cloud coverage, resulting in a rise of temperatures on the Earth. Conversely, a reduction in solar activity produces lower temperatures. Two scientists from the MPI for Solar System Research have calculated for the last 150 years the Sun's main parameters affecting climate, using current measurements and the newest models: the total radiation, the ultraviolet output, and the Sun's magnetic field (which modulates the cosmic ray intensity). They come to the conclusion that the variations on the Sun run parallel to climate changes for most of that time, indicating that the Sun has indeed influenced the climate in the past. Just how large this influence is, is subject to further investigation. However, it is also clear that since about 1980, while the total solar radiation, its ultraviolet component, and the cosmic ray intensity all exhibit the 11-year solar periodicity, there has otherwise been no significant increase in their values. In contrast, the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming. These findings bring the question as to what is the connection between variations in solar activity and the terrestrial climate into the focal point of current research. The influence of the Sun on the Earth is seen increasingly as one cause of the observed global warming since 1900, along with the emission of the greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide, from the combustion of coal, gas, and oil. "Just how large this role is, must still be investigated, since, according to our latest knowledge on the variations of the solar magnetic field, the significant increase in the Earth's temperature since 1980 is indeed to be ascribed to the greenhouse effect caused by carbon dioxide," says Prof. Sami K. Solanki, solar physicist and director at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research. Original work: Krivova N.A., Solanki S.K. Solar Variability and Global Warming: A Statistical Comparison Since 1850 Adv. Space Res. 34, 361-364 (2004) Ilya G. Usoskin, Sami K. Solanki, Manfred Schüssler, Kalevi Mursula, Katja Alanko A Millennium Scale Sunspot Reconstruction: Evidence For an Unusually Active Sun Since the 1940's Physical Review Letters 91, 211101-1--211101-4 (2003) Sami K. Solanki, Natalie A. Krivova Can Solar Variability Explain Global Warming Since 1970? Journal of Geophysical Research 108, 1200 (2003) IMAGE CAPTIONS: [Fig.1: http://www.mpg.de/bilderBerichteDoku...lerie/bilderWi ssenschaft/2003/10/schuessler1/Web_Zoom.jpeg (185KB)] Extended group of sunspots visible in the southern hemisphere of the Sun in September 1998. These sunspots are fascinating not only due to their large size, but also due to their detailed structure that reveals a dynamic complexity. The smallest visible features are about 350 km across, the entire area covers about 200,000 km in the horizontal direction. The sub-pictures in this mosaic were obtained with the German Vacuum Tower Telescope at the Observatorio del Teide (Teneriffe). Image: Kiepenheuer Institute for Solar Physics, Freiburg im Breisgau [Fig. 2: http://www.mpg.de/bilderBerichteDoku...lerie/bilderWi ssenschaft/2003/10/schuessler2/Web_Zoom.jpeg (135KB)] A large sunspot visible on the Sun in June 2000. The picture shows a section of the Sun's surface 80,000 by 80,000 km across. Sunspots appear darker than their surroundings because their strong magnetic fields suppress the energy transported by gas flows. This picture was taken with the German Vacuum Tower Telescope at the Observatorio del Teide (Teneriffe). Image: Kiepenheuer Institute for Solar Physics, Freiburg im Breisgau So is the rest of the stuff |
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"Mad Scientist" , Winner of the Victor Von Frankenstein Weird Science Award for July 2004 wrote in message ers.com... Wally the dumbass imbecile again proves how stupid he is. I note that with one single rebuttal, I exposed you as an idiot. Your decendants, should you spawn any, will see that in years to come. Think about that. Now, care to take this over to alt.usenet.kooks, where this all belongs, and we can leave alt.astronomy out of this, or are you just merely afraid?. Lot's of people over there know you now. Fame is yours for the asking, Wally Anglesea wrote: "Mad Scientist" , winner of the July 2004 Victor Von Framkenstein Weird Science Award, wrote in message . rogers.com... Read onto the rebuttle I posted about global warming. The "researchers" Mad "Scientist" promotes are known nitwits. Unlike the scientific cowards on this kook astronomy newsgroup, some brave researchers hit the mark. -- MOON WOBBLE: MAY NOT BE POETRY OF NIBIRU Date: Sunday, 8 August 2004, 10:16 a.m. In recent weeks, as a result of exchanges of information with a number of RMN agents, those in what I call the Lunar Lunacy group - Cliff, Mammonator, Freedom4ever, Farsight, Questionary, White Raven and others - as well as discussions and brainstorming with several of my own contacts, including an amateur geologist with whom I work. I have developed some thoughts on what might be causing the earth wobble that is almost certainly occurring. Additionally, I have developed some mathmatic and experimental techniques for testing the theories that are being advanced to explain this phenomena. Using the principle that the earth and the moon are tidally locked and therefore changes in the gravitational fields of the larger would be magnified on the other by an arithmatic function of the differences in their size I concluded that if their is a perceived movement of the smaller from a perspective on the larger, then the other than normal components of that movement would be from the larger to the smaller by a factor related to their relative mass. Using the notion then, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction the I concluded that if the earth is 4 times the size of the moon then whatever wobble the earth is expressing would affect the moon by a factor of three to four. I have calculated the "earth wobble at approximately 10 - 15 degrees north south of either side of the equator (total of 20 - 30 degrees), with a corresponding wobble on the part of the moon of between 40 - 60 degrees with the normal seven degrees factored in for a total wobble on the earth of 20 - 30 degrees and 46 - 66 degrees on the moon. A fifteen degree wobble over a 12 hour period would amount to one hour of movement, or approximately 1,000 miles over 12 hours, that would be at a speed of 83 miles an hour which could easily pass unnoticed in th atmosphere. I have already made note that tides would only be affected in the North/south directions against east/west running coastlines, otherwise the East west currents would largely remain undisturbed. I spoke with my son on the Gulf coast a couple of months ago and he tells me that the high and low tides have been unusually high and unusually low by a factor of about 6 feet. I also saw a story on RMN about an Alaskan village that is being inundated by higher tides and also a story about the ice caps melting much faster than anticipated. If the ice caps are melting, and the one in the North is all water and the one in the South is half water and half earth, then the effect of the ice melting in both locations would be similar to adding a weight onto a harmonic balancer and therefore counter weighting it. What would happen to an harmonic balancer that was spinning at a thousand miles per hour and you suddenly redistributed the weight from one side to the other, or spread it around? Do you suppose it might wobble? I think the recent solar storms may be causing more trouble that we even suspected. Currently most scientists think that Global Warming is about 97% the result of solar activity. Rubbish. kooks playing at science often make such outrageous claims, but never, ever present evidence Here's a RECENT article. "Andrew Yee" wrote in message m... Press and Public Relations Department Max Planck Society for the Advancement of Science Munich, Germany Contact: Prof. Sami K. Solanki Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau Tel.: +49 5556 979-325 Fax: +49 5556 979-190 E-mail: Prof. Manfred Schüssler Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau Tel.: +49 5556 979-469 Fax: +49 5556 979-190 E-mail: August 2nd, 2004 SP / C / 2004 (26) How Strongly Does the Sun Influence the Global Climate? Studies at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research reveal: solar activity affects the climate but plays only a minor role in the current global warming Since the middle of the last century, the Sun is in a phase of unusually high activity, as indicated by frequent occurrences of sunspots, gas eruptions, and radiation storms. Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research (MPS) in Katlenburg-Lindau (Germany) and at the University of Oulu (Finland) have come to this conclusion after they have succeeded in reconstructing the solar activity based on the sunspot frequency since 850 AD. To this end, they have combined historical sunspot records with measurements of the frequency of radioactive isotopes in ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic. As the scientists have reported in the renowned scientific journal, Physical Review Letters, since 1940 the mean sunspot number is higher than it has ever been in the last thousand years and two and a half times higher than the long term average. The temporal variation in the solar activity displays a similarity to that of the mean temperature of the Earth. These scientific results therefore bring the influence of the Sun on the terrestrial climate, and in particular its contribution to the global warming of the 20th century, into the forefront of current interest. However, researchers at the MPS have shown that the Sun can be responsible for, at most, only a small part of the warming over the last 20-30 years. They took the measured and calculated variations in the solar brightness over the last 150 years and compared them to the temperature of the Earth. Although the changes in the two values tend to follow each other for roughly the first 120 years, the Earth's temperature has risen dramatically in the last 30 years while the solar brightness has not appreciably increased in this time. Astronomers have regularly observed sunspots since the invention of the telescope in the early 17th century. These are areas on the surface of the Sun where energy flow from the interior is reduced due to the strong magnetic fields that they exhibit. As a result, these regions cool by about 1500 deg and thus appear relatively darker than their surroundings at 5800 deg. The number of sunspots varies over an 11-year activity period, which in turn is subject to longer term variations. For example, in the second half of the 17th century, there were hardly any sunspots at all. The German-Finnish research team has now applied a new method to obtain insight into the development of the sunspot number from before the beginning of direct records. In addition, these experts have analyzed measured abundances of beryllium-10 in ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic. This radioactive isotope is created when energetic particles in cosmic rays enter the Earth's atmosphere and split atomic nuclei of nitrogen and oxygen. Beryllium-10 (half-life 1.6 million years) is a product of this decay process, which is then washed out of the atmosphere by precipitation and then deposited in layers in the polar ice fields. Since the cosmic rays are partially deflected by the solar magnetic field filling interplanetary space, the production rate of Beryllium-10 in the atmosphere varies with the strength of this magnetic field, which in turn is associated with the number of sunspots. A comparison of the Beryllium-10 data with the historical records of sunspot numbers reveals a high degree of correlation. Thus it was possible for the researchers to test and calibrate this new reconstruction method. The solar research team has managed, for the first time, to substantiate with consistent physical models every link in the complex chain, from the isotope abundance in the ice back to the sunspot number. This includes the creation of Beryllium-10 by cosmic rays, the modulation of the cosmic rays by the interplanetary magnetic field, and finally the relationship between the solar magnetic field and the number of sunspots. In this way it was possible for the scientists to obtain, for the first time, a reliable, quantitative determination of the sunspot numbers even for times before direct measurements were made. These data show clearly that the Sun is in a state of unusually high activity, for about the last 60 years. The time interval for which this statement can be made has been tripled by these new investigations, for now the reconstructed sunspot numbers extend back to 850 AD. Another period of enhanced solar activity, but with substantially fewer sunspots than now, occurred in the Middle Ages from 1100 to 1250. At that time, a warm period reigned over the Earth, as the Vikings established flourishing settlements in Greenland. The Sun affects the climate through several physical processes: For one thing, the total radiation, particularly that in the ultraviolet range, varies with solar activity. When many sunspots are visible, the Sun is somewhat brighter than in "quiet" times and radiates considerably more in the ultraviolet. On the other hand, the cosmic ray intensity entering the Earth's atmosphere varies opposite to the solar activity, since the cosmic ray particles are deflected by the Sun's magnetic field to a greater or lesser degree. According to a much discussed model proposed by Danish researchers, the ions produced by cosmic rays act as condensation nuclei for larger suspension particles and thus contribute to cloud formation. With increased solar activity (and stronger magnetic fields), the cosmic ray intensity decreases, and with it the amount of cloud coverage, resulting in a rise of temperatures on the Earth. Conversely, a reduction in solar activity produces lower temperatures. Two scientists from the MPI for Solar System Research have calculated for the last 150 years the Sun's main parameters affecting climate, using current measurements and the newest models: the total radiation, the ultraviolet output, and the Sun's magnetic field (which modulates the cosmic ray intensity). They come to the conclusion that the variations on the Sun run parallel to climate changes for most of that time, indicating that the Sun has indeed influenced the climate in the past. Just how large this influence is, is subject to further investigation. However, it is also clear that since about 1980, while the total solar radiation, its ultraviolet component, and the cosmic ray intensity all exhibit the 11-year solar periodicity, there has otherwise been no significant increase in their values. In contrast, the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming. These findings bring the question as to what is the connection between variations in solar activity and the terrestrial climate into the focal point of current research. The influence of the Sun on the Earth is seen increasingly as one cause of the observed global warming since 1900, along with the emission of the greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide, from the combustion of coal, gas, and oil. "Just how large this role is, must still be investigated, since, according to our latest knowledge on the variations of the solar magnetic field, the significant increase in the Earth's temperature since 1980 is indeed to be ascribed to the greenhouse effect caused by carbon dioxide," says Prof. Sami K. Solanki, solar physicist and director at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research. Original work: Krivova N.A., Solanki S.K. Solar Variability and Global Warming: A Statistical Comparison Since 1850 Adv. Space Res. 34, 361-364 (2004) Ilya G. Usoskin, Sami K. Solanki, Manfred Schüssler, Kalevi Mursula, Katja Alanko A Millennium Scale Sunspot Reconstruction: Evidence For an Unusually Active Sun Since the 1940's Physical Review Letters 91, 211101-1--211101-4 (2003) Sami K. Solanki, Natalie A. Krivova Can Solar Variability Explain Global Warming Since 1970? Journal of Geophysical Research 108, 1200 (2003) IMAGE CAPTIONS: [Fig.1: http://www.mpg.de/bilderBerichteDoku...lerie/bilderWi ssenschaft/2003/10/schuessler1/Web_Zoom.jpeg (185KB)] Extended group of sunspots visible in the southern hemisphere of the Sun in September 1998. These sunspots are fascinating not only due to their large size, but also due to their detailed structure that reveals a dynamic complexity. The smallest visible features are about 350 km across, the entire area covers about 200,000 km in the horizontal direction. The sub-pictures in this mosaic were obtained with the German Vacuum Tower Telescope at the Observatorio del Teide (Teneriffe). Image: Kiepenheuer Institute for Solar Physics, Freiburg im Breisgau [Fig. 2: http://www.mpg.de/bilderBerichteDoku...lerie/bilderWi ssenschaft/2003/10/schuessler2/Web_Zoom.jpeg (135KB)] A large sunspot visible on the Sun in June 2000. The picture shows a section of the Sun's surface 80,000 by 80,000 km across. Sunspots appear darker than their surroundings because their strong magnetic fields suppress the energy transported by gas flows. This picture was taken with the German Vacuum Tower Telescope at the Observatorio del Teide (Teneriffe). Image: Kiepenheuer Institute for Solar Physics, Freiburg im Breisgau So is the rest of the stuff |
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Wally Dumbassea the talking monkey related to Darwin wrote: "Mad Scientist" , Winner of the Victor Von Frankenstein Weird Science Award for July 2004 wrote in message ers.com... Wally the dumbass imbecile again proves how stupid he is. I note that with one single rebuttal, I exposed you as an idiot. Your decendants, should you spawn any, will see that in years to come. Think about that. Now, care to take this over to alt.usenet.kooks, where this all belongs, and we can leave alt.astronomy out of this, or are you just merely afraid?. Lot's of people over there know you now. Fame is yours for the asking, Wally Anglesea wrote: "Mad Scientist" , winner of the July 2004 Victor Von Framkenstein Weird Science Award, wrote in message le.rogers.com... Read onto the rebuttle I posted about global warming. The "researchers" Mad "Scientist" promotes are known nitwits. Unlike the scientific cowards on this kook astronomy newsgroup, some brave researchers hit the mark. -- MOON WOBBLE: MAY NOT BE POETRY OF NIBIRU Date: Sunday, 8 August 2004, 10:16 a.m. In recent weeks, as a result of exchanges of information with a number of RMN agents, those in what I call the Lunar Lunacy group - Cliff, Mammonator, Freedom4ever, Farsight, Questionary, White Raven and others - as well as discussions and brainstorming with several of my own contacts, including an amateur geologist with whom I work. I have developed some thoughts on what might be causing the earth wobble that is almost certainly occurring. Additionally, I have developed some mathmatic and experimental techniques for testing the theories that are being advanced to explain this phenomena. Using the principle that the earth and the moon are tidally locked and therefore changes in the gravitational fields of the larger would be magnified on the other by an arithmatic function of the differences in their size I concluded that if their is a perceived movement of the smaller from a perspective on the larger, then the other than normal components of that movement would be from the larger to the smaller by a factor related to their relative mass. Using the notion then, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction the I concluded that if the earth is 4 times the size of the moon then whatever wobble the earth is expressing would affect the moon by a factor of three to four. I have calculated the "earth wobble at approximately 10 - 15 degrees north south of either side of the equator (total of 20 - 30 degrees), with a corresponding wobble on the part of the moon of between 40 - 60 degrees with the normal seven degrees factored in for a total wobble on the earth of 20 - 30 degrees and 46 - 66 degrees on the moon. A fifteen degree wobble over a 12 hour period would amount to one hour of movement, or approximately 1,000 miles over 12 hours, that would be at a speed of 83 miles an hour which could easily pass unnoticed in th atmosphere. I have already made note that tides would only be affected in the North/south directions against east/west running coastlines, otherwise the East west currents would largely remain undisturbed. I spoke with my son on the Gulf coast a couple of months ago and he tells me that the high and low tides have been unusually high and unusually low by a factor of about 6 feet. I also saw a story on RMN about an Alaskan village that is being inundated by higher tides and also a story about the ice caps melting much faster than anticipated. If the ice caps are melting, and the one in the North is all water and the one in the South is half water and half earth, then the effect of the ice melting in both locations would be similar to adding a weight onto a harmonic balancer and therefore counter weighting it. What would happen to an harmonic balancer that was spinning at a thousand miles per hour and you suddenly redistributed the weight from one side to the other, or spread it around? Do you suppose it might wobble? I think the recent solar storms may be causing more trouble that we even suspected. Currently most scientists think that Global Warming is about 97% the result of solar activity. Rubbish. kooks playing at science often make such outrageous claims, but never, ever present evidence Here's a RECENT article. "Andrew Yee" wrote in message .com... Press and Public Relations Department Max Planck Society for the Advancement of Science Munich, Germany Contact: Prof. Sami K. Solanki Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau Tel.: +49 5556 979-325 Fax: +49 5556 979-190 E-mail: Prof. Manfred Schüssler Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau Tel.: +49 5556 979-469 Fax: +49 5556 979-190 E-mail: August 2nd, 2004 SP / C / 2004 (26) How Strongly Does the Sun Influence the Global Climate? Studies at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research reveal: solar activity affects the climate but plays only a minor role in the current global warming Since the middle of the last century, the Sun is in a phase of unusually high activity, as indicated by frequent occurrences of sunspots, gas eruptions, and radiation storms. Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research (MPS) in Katlenburg-Lindau (Germany) and at the University of Oulu (Finland) have come to this conclusion after they have succeeded in reconstructing the solar activity based on the sunspot frequency since 850 AD. To this end, they have combined historical sunspot records with measurements of the frequency of radioactive isotopes in ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic. As the scientists have reported in the renowned scientific journal, Physical Review Letters, since 1940 the mean sunspot number is higher than it has ever been in the last thousand years and two and a half times higher than the long term average. The temporal variation in the solar activity displays a similarity to that of the mean temperature of the Earth. These scientific results therefore bring the influence of the Sun on the terrestrial climate, and in particular its contribution to the global warming of the 20th century, into the forefront of current interest. However, researchers at the MPS have shown that the Sun can be responsible for, at most, only a small part of the warming over the last 20-30 years. They took the measured and calculated variations in the solar brightness over the last 150 years and compared them to the temperature of the Earth. Although the changes in the two values tend to follow each other for roughly the first 120 years, the Earth's temperature has risen dramatically in the last 30 years while the solar brightness has not appreciably increased in this time. Astronomers have regularly observed sunspots since the invention of the telescope in the early 17th century. These are areas on the surface of the Sun where energy flow from the interior is reduced due to the strong magnetic fields that they exhibit. As a result, these regions cool by about 1500 deg and thus appear relatively darker than their surroundings at 5800 deg. The number of sunspots varies over an 11-year activity period, which in turn is subject to longer term variations. For example, in the second half of the 17th century, there were hardly any sunspots at all. The German-Finnish research team has now applied a new method to obtain insight into the development of the sunspot number from before the beginning of direct records. In addition, these experts have analyzed measured abundances of beryllium-10 in ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic. This radioactive isotope is created when energetic particles in cosmic rays enter the Earth's atmosphere and split atomic nuclei of nitrogen and oxygen. Beryllium-10 (half-life 1.6 million years) is a product of this decay process, which is then washed out of the atmosphere by precipitation and then deposited in layers in the polar ice fields. Since the cosmic rays are partially deflected by the solar magnetic field filling interplanetary space, the production rate of Beryllium-10 in the atmosphere varies with the strength of this magnetic field, which in turn is associated with the number of sunspots. A comparison of the Beryllium-10 data with the historical records of sunspot numbers reveals a high degree of correlation. Thus it was possible for the researchers to test and calibrate this new reconstruction method. The solar research team has managed, for the first time, to substantiate with consistent physical models every link in the complex chain, from the isotope abundance in the ice back to the sunspot number. This includes the creation of Beryllium-10 by cosmic rays, the modulation of the cosmic rays by the interplanetary magnetic field, and finally the relationship between the solar magnetic field and the number of sunspots. In this way it was possible for the scientists to obtain, for the first time, a reliable, quantitative determination of the sunspot numbers even for times before direct measurements were made. These data show clearly that the Sun is in a state of unusually high activity, for about the last 60 years. The time interval for which this statement can be made has been tripled by these new investigations, for now the reconstructed sunspot numbers extend back to 850 AD. Another period of enhanced solar activity, but with substantially fewer sunspots than now, occurred in the Middle Ages from 1100 to 1250. At that time, a warm period reigned over the Earth, as the Vikings established flourishing settlements in Greenland. The Sun affects the climate through several physical processes: For one thing, the total radiation, particularly that in the ultraviolet range, varies with solar activity. When many sunspots are visible, the Sun is somewhat brighter than in "quiet" times and radiates considerably more in the ultraviolet. On the other hand, the cosmic ray intensity entering the Earth's atmosphere varies opposite to the solar activity, since the cosmic ray particles are deflected by the Sun's magnetic field to a greater or lesser degree. According to a much discussed model proposed by Danish researchers, the ions produced by cosmic rays act as condensation nuclei for larger suspension particles and thus contribute to cloud formation. With increased solar activity (and stronger magnetic fields), the cosmic ray intensity decreases, and with it the amount of cloud coverage, resulting in a rise of temperatures on the Earth. Conversely, a reduction in solar activity produces lower temperatures. Two scientists from the MPI for Solar System Research have calculated for the last 150 years the Sun's main parameters affecting climate, using current measurements and the newest models: the total radiation, the ultraviolet output, and the Sun's magnetic field (which modulates the cosmic ray intensity). They come to the conclusion that the variations on the Sun run parallel to climate changes for most of that time, indicating that the Sun has indeed influenced the climate in the past. Just how large this influence is, is subject to further investigation. However, it is also clear that since about 1980, while the total solar radiation, its ultraviolet component, and the cosmic ray intensity all exhibit the 11-year solar periodicity, there has otherwise been no significant increase in their values. In contrast, the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming. These findings bring the question as to what is the connection between variations in solar activity and the terrestrial climate into the focal point of current research. The influence of the Sun on the Earth is seen increasingly as one cause of the observed global warming since 1900, along with the emission of the greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide, from the combustion of coal, gas, and oil. "Just how large this role is, must still be investigated, since, according to our latest knowledge on the variations of the solar magnetic field, the significant increase in the Earth's temperature since 1980 is indeed to be ascribed to the greenhouse effect caused by carbon dioxide," says Prof. Sami K. Solanki, solar physicist and director at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research. Original work: Krivova N.A., Solanki S.K. Solar Variability and Global Warming: A Statistical Comparison Since 1850 Adv. Space Res. 34, 361-364 (2004) Ilya G. Usoskin, Sami K. Solanki, Manfred Schüssler, Kalevi Mursula, Katja Alanko A Millennium Scale Sunspot Reconstruction: Evidence For an Unusually Active Sun Since the 1940's Physical Review Letters 91, 211101-1--211101-4 (2003) Sami K. Solanki, Natalie A. Krivova Can Solar Variability Explain Global Warming Since 1970? Journal of Geophysical Research 108, 1200 (2003) IMAGE CAPTIONS: [Fig.1: http://www.mpg.de/bilderBerichteDoku...lerie/bilderWi ssenschaft/2003/10/schuessler1/Web_Zoom.jpeg (185KB)] Extended group of sunspots visible in the southern hemisphere of the Sun in September 1998. These sunspots are fascinating not only due to their large size, but also due to their detailed structure that reveals a dynamic complexity. The smallest visible features are about 350 km across, the entire area covers about 200,000 km in the horizontal direction. The sub-pictures in this mosaic were obtained with the German Vacuum Tower Telescope at the Observatorio del Teide (Teneriffe). Image: Kiepenheuer Institute for Solar Physics, Freiburg im Breisgau [Fig. 2: http://www.mpg.de/bilderBerichteDoku...lerie/bilderWi ssenschaft/2003/10/schuessler2/Web_Zoom.jpeg (135KB)] A large sunspot visible on the Sun in June 2000. The picture shows a section of the Sun's surface 80,000 by 80,000 km across. Sunspots appear darker than their surroundings because their strong magnetic fields suppress the energy transported by gas flows. This picture was taken with the German Vacuum Tower Telescope at the Observatorio del Teide (Teneriffe). Image: Kiepenheuer Institute for Solar Physics, Freiburg im Breisgau So is the rest of the stuff Wally Dumassea proves with one stroke how utterly stupid he is. My talking dog has a higher IQ. |
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"Mad Scientist" wrote in message gers.com... SNIP You ignored (or could not understand, more like) a whole passel of evidence that shows one of your misconceptions is exactly that, to post this: Wally Dumassea proves with one stroke how utterly stupid he is. My talking dog has a higher IQ. Your dog isn't talking. It's the voices in your head. You need to see a shrink. Soon. |
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Wally Dumbassea the talking monkey related to Darwin wrote: "Mad Scientist" wrote in message gers.com... SNIP You ignored (or could not understand, more like) a whole passel of evidence that shows one of your misconceptions is exactly that, to post this: Wally Dumassea proves with one stroke how utterly stupid he is. My talking dog has a higher IQ. Your dog isn't talking. It's the voices in your head. You need to see a shrink. Soon. Queerboy Dumbassea is ****ed that I am not into fruitcake sex like him and his queerboy kook friends. |
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