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Artemis 3 Mission in 2024
Anyone want to predict whether this will actually happen in 2024?
It would be interesting for sure. Artemis 3 (previously the Exploration Mission-3 or EM-3), is a planned 2024 flight of NASA's Orion spacecraft to be launched on the Space Launch System. It is planned to be the second crewed mission of the Artemis program and the first crewed lunar landing since Apollo 17 in 1972. The landing zone would be in the south polar region. It is planned to have two astronauts on the surface of the Moon for about one week. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_3 |
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Artemis 3 Mission in 2024
On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, Scott Kozel wrote:
Anyone want to predict whether this will actually happen in 2024? It would be interesting for sure. Artemis 3 (previously the Exploration Mission-3 or EM-3), is a planned 2024 flight of NASA's Orion spacecraft to be launched on the Space Launch System. It is planned to be the second crewed mission of the Artemis program and the first crewed lunar landing since Apollo 17 in 1972. The landing zone would be in the south polar region. It is planned to have two astronauts on the surface of the Moon for about one week. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_3 Like the F-35, will Orion be ready for mission? |
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Artemis 3 Mission in 2024
On 7/24/2019 8:07 PM, Scott Kozel wrote:
Anyone want to predict whether this will actually happen in 2024? It would be interesting for sure. I'd say improbable... Forgetting minor nits such as the lack of a lander and lunar EVA suits... It'll be interesting to see if they actually have a working upper stage for Block 1 SLS, let alone reliable. If the Delta III experience of DCSS is any indication of a forerunner for ICPS... "The DCSS first flew on 3 Delta IIIs, and failed 2 of 2 times. The booster failed on the third flight, causing the loss of the DCSS before ignitions." ..and.. "The Interim Cryogenic Propulsion Stage (ICPS), a modified 5–meter DCSS, will fly as the upper stage of NASA's Block 1 Space Launch System.[3] Artemis 1, the first flight, is scheduled for late 2020." From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_...c_Second_Stage A 2nd stage failure would certainly be basis for program delays. Dave |
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Artemis 3 Mission in 2024
"Scott Kozel" wrote in message
... Anyone want to predict whet her this will actually happen in 2024? It would be interesting for sure. Artemis 3 (previously the Exploration Mission-3 or EM-3), is a planned 2024 flight of NASA's Orion spacecraft to be launched on the Space Launch System. It is planned to be the second crewed mission of the Artemis program and the first crewed lunar landing since Apollo 17 in 1972. The landing zone would be in the south polar region. It is planned to have two astronauts on the surface of the Moon for about one week. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_3 Yeah, I wouldn't be holding my breath on this one, or placing any long term bets. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net IT Disaster Response - https://www.amazon.com/Disaster-Resp...dp/1484221834/ |
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Artemis 3 Mission in 2024
On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 6:46:32 AM UTC-5, David Spain wrote:
On 7/24/2019 8:07 PM, Scott Kozel wrote: Anyone want to predict whether this will actually happen in 2024? It would be interesting for sure. I'd say improbable... Forgetting minor nits such as the lack of a lander and lunar EVA suits... It'll be interesting to see if they actually have a working upper stage for Block 1 SLS, let alone reliable. If the Delta III experience of DCSS is any indication of a forerunner for ICPS... "The DCSS first flew on 3 Delta IIIs, and failed 2 of 2 times. The booster failed on the third flight, causing the loss of the DCSS before ignitions." ..and.. "The Interim Cryogenic Propulsion Stage (ICPS), a modified 5–meter DCSS, will fly as the upper stage of NASA's Block 1 Space Launch System.[3] Artemis 1, the first flight, is scheduled for late 2020." From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_...c_Second_Stage A 2nd stage failure would certainly be basis for program delays. In addition to having a lander and EVA suits designed and built, need to have some recent experience in using them, including with current astronauts. Also need recent experience with rendezvous and docking, including with current astronauts. All these well supplied in Gemini and the first 3 Apollo/Saturn V missions, before the landing mission. Doing a circumlunar mission and then a landing mission in 2024 sounds good on paper, but I suspect that they need a lot more current experience of the type in the 1960s above, if they want to be successful. |
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Artemis 3 Mission in 2024
Anyone want to predict whether this will actually happen in 2024?
It would be interesting for sure. It won't happen until China has a man on the moon. Artemis 3 (previously the Exploration Mission-3 or EM-3), is a planned 2024 flight of NASA's Orion spacecraft to be launched on the Space Launch System. It is planned to be the second crewed mission of the Artemis program and the first crewed lunar landing since Apollo 17 in 1972. The landing zone would be in the south polar region. It is planned to have two astronauts on the surface of the Moon for about one week. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_3 If weren't for thea Russian Sputnik, would US have a space program? |
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says... On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 6:46:32 AM UTC-5, David Spain wrote: On 7/24/2019 8:07 PM, Scott Kozel wrote: Anyone want to predict whether this will actually happen in 2024? It would be interesting for sure. I'd say improbable... Forgetting minor nits such as the lack of a lander and lunar EVA suits... It'll be interesting to see if they actually have a working upper stage for Block 1 SLS, let alone reliable. If the Delta III experience of DCSS is any indication of a forerunner for ICPS... "The DCSS first flew on 3 Delta IIIs, and failed 2 of 2 times. The booster failed on the third flight, causing the loss of the DCSS before ignitions." ..and.. "The Interim Cryogenic Propulsion Stage (ICPS), a modified 5?meter DCSS, will fly as the upper stage of NASA's Block 1 Space Launch System.[3] Artemis 1, the first flight, is scheduled for late 2020." From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_...c_Second_Stage A 2nd stage failure would certainly be basis for program delays. In addition to having a lander and EVA suits designed and built, need to have some recent experience in using them, including with current astronauts. Also need recent experience with rendezvous and docking, including with current astronauts. We already have that with commercial crew. Also, computers are so much better than they were in the 60s, much of rendezvous and docking is automated. This was demonstrated on the first, uncrewed, Dragon 2 mission to ISS. Mostly the astronauts just monitored Dragon 2 as it approached ISS and docked. Honestly, the equations aren't *that* hard. I know a guy who used to help write the Rendezvous and Proximity Operations (RPOP) software for use on laptops during the space shuttle program. That sort of software is now built into the flight control system of new vehicles that are designed to autonomously rendezvous and dock. Jeff -- All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone. These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, employer, or any organization that I am a member of. |
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Artemis 3 Mission in 2024
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says... Anyone want to predict whether this will actually happen in 2024? It would be interesting for sure. It won't happen until China has a man on the moon. Artemis 3 (previously the Exploration Mission-3 or EM-3), is a planned 2024 flight of NASA's Orion spacecraft to be launched on the Space Launch System. It is planned to be the second crewed mission of the Artemis program and the first crewed lunar landing since Apollo 17 in 1972. The landing zone would be in the south polar region. It is planned to have two astronauts on the surface of the Moon for about one week. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_3 If weren't for thea Russian Sputnik, would US have a space program? Yes, but it would have surely been much slower and more methodical. The original plan for a lunar mission would have used Earth Orbit Rendezvous (EOR) to assemble (by docking) all of the bits you needed in a low earth orbit before firing the engines on the earth departure stage. This would have been much more sustainable because you wouldn't have needed such a large (expensive) launch vehicle. Plus such an approach nicely dovetails with building earth orbiting space stations and the like. The actual Space Race was short and sweet and sent us down the dead end of large expendable launch vehicles. Unfortunately, NASA has gone down that same dead end yet again with Ares/SLS. It's simply not sustainable. I write this on the morning after Starhopper made its first successful hop. This was the first flight of a full flow staged combustion liquid fueled rocket engine. That is a sustainable, reusable, approach to spaceflight. I'm glad SpaceX is pursuing this, because NASA dropped the ball long ago on reusabilty. Jeff -- All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone. These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, employer, or any organization that I am a member of. |
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Artemis 3 Mission in 2024
On 7/26/2019 2:27 AM, William Elliot wrote:
If weren't for thea Russian Sputnik, would US have a space program? An interesting question. I would say, yes, but it would have looked very differently from what we remember and it would have been primarily a US Air Force program working in conjunction with the NACA. Sputnik was inevitable, but the *real* story is that Von Braun's team was ready to add a small 3rd kick stage to the Jupiter C rocket a year or so *before* Sputnik, that would have put a satellite into orbit, but Eisenhower nixed the idea. Why I'll never know. Had that been done, likely no panic, no NASA and no moon program. Given that alternative history, knowing that orbit was possible there would no doubt have been a push within the USAF to add a booster kick stage to the air-dropped X-15, and made its own engines re-startable in order to get it into orbit and back down. And the public would have never known about splash-downs as it would have glided down and landed at a runway, probably the dry lake bed at Edwards. Where it would have gone from there is anyone's guess. Maybe a manned orbiting "spy" er "laboratory" platform. There was the USAF Dyna-Soar program aka the X-20 that would have launched on a Titan-III but that was cancelled. That is a close as I know of to an *alternative* US space program. Dave |
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