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mass is light.
If the frequency of the photon is f, then the mass is h*f/c^2 Robert J. Kolker, I'm thinking the lower the frequency the greater the potential mass, then perhaps divide all of that by 2. ? h*1/f/c^2/2 how much is "h" worth these days? - Brad Guth |
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mass is light.
tomcat wrote:
It is interesting to note that some theorists believe that electrons are 'the' fundamental building block of matter/mass. Electrons have mass. Photons don't. But, when electrons shift orbits they generate photons and when photons hit metal plate they generate electrons. The do not generate electrons. They knock electrons loose. The electrons are already their, bound electrically to a nucleus. Bob Kolker |
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mass is light.
Brad Guth wrote:
I believe there's at least 1e100 photons per atom, and we're talking about all the way from those extremely low frequency gravity photons of infinite light years to those sub gamma photons of the sub-picometer status, thus we have lots to pick from. If the gravitational interaction is mediated by a boson, it will be a spin two boson. A photon is a spin one boson. Bob Kolker |
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mass is light.
Brad Guth wrote: tomcat, More importantly, it's interesting to note that we're seeing no actual hard numbers coming from these wizards that usually claim to know all there is to know. I believe there's at least 1e100 photons per atom, and we're talking about all the way from those extremely low frequency gravity photons of infinite light years to those sub gamma photons of the sub-picometer status, thus we have lots to pick from. - Brad Guth Light is certainly one of the strangest of objects. In the Double Slit Experiment it acts like a wave until you look for the particles. Then it becomes particles, instead. Albert Einstein used the speed of light as the upper bound for all possible speeds in the Universe. In the broad sense light includes visible light and invisible light, such as X-Rays and Gamma Rays, besides. This is why solar cells produce as well on cloudy days as they do on bright sunny days. Solar cells react to the UV and shorter wavelengths and they can punch through clouds. In fact, this is how you entangle photons. One method is to take a UV photon and turn it into two Infra-Red photons which equal the original energy of the UV photon. Recently light was speeded up in a doped optic fiber. Since the light exceeded the speed of light in a vacuum it transversed the optic fiber backward, instead of entering where it entered. In other words you pour the light in end A and it immediately comes at you from end B. Reference: University of Rochester in New York. This is creating speculation that exceeding the speed of light can take you backwards in time. So, light is a little weird. Perhaps that is why there is some action on this "mass is light" topic. It is time to air some of the weirdness of simple photonic . . . light. tomcat |
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mass is light.
tomcat wrote: Brad Guth wrote: tomcat, More importantly, it's interesting to note that we're seeing no actual hard numbers coming from these wizards that usually claim to know all there is to know. I believe there's at least 1e100 photons per atom, and we're talking about all the way from those extremely low frequency gravity photons of infinite light years to those sub gamma photons of the sub-picometer status, thus we have lots to pick from. - Brad Guth Light is certainly one of the strangest of objects. In the Double Slit Experiment it acts like a wave until you look for the particles. Then it becomes particles, instead. Albert Einstein used the speed of light as the upper bound for all possible speeds in the Universe. In the broad sense light includes visible light and invisible light, such as X-Rays and Gamma Rays, besides. This is why solar cells produce as well on cloudy days as they do on bright sunny days. Solar cells react to the UV and shorter wavelengths and they can punch through clouds. In fact, this is how you entangle photons. One method is to take a UV photon and turn it into two Infra-Red photons which equal the original energy of the UV photon. Recently light was speeded up in a doped optic fiber. Since the light exceeded the speed of light in a vacuum it transversed the optic fiber backward, instead of entering where it entered. In other words you pour the light in end A and it immediately comes at you from end B. Reference: University of Rochester in New York. This is creating speculation that exceeding the speed of light can take you backwards in time. So, light is a little weird. Perhaps that is why there is some action on this "mass is light" topic. It is time to air some of the weirdness of simple photonic . . . light. tomcat P.S. Reference on the University of Rochester experiment. See: http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/light...rds-10590.html tomcat |
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mass is light.
So, light is a little weird. Perhaps that is why there is some action
on this "mass is light" topic. It is time to air some of the weirdness of simple photonic . . . light. We humanly detect perhaps 0.0000001% of that weird photon spectrum, and of our very best instruments detect perhaps 0.1% of whatever's photon. Too bad we haven't established the LL-1 platform for doing real science. Do you still think we walked on that gamma and hard-X-ray moon of ours? This was something interesting. Dogon_Tribe_from_Sirius_B / TRUE physical Manipulation of the masses is for sociopaths. brian_am_stuckless is not a manipulator of anyone. His dialecticisms are framed in the highest artform available to engineers - mathematics. One would tend to believe that there is a message behind using the dollar signs at the borders of his reports - I can see that today there is a tremendous ruse being played on the American people - liberalism and dialectical moderation to the extreme. Yet the ruses of the blind can in no way dilute the potency of the wise. Political shadiness are for those who can't withstand the light of truth. Only the knowingly-ignorant will perish of their own accord. The free will of the force of faithful intuition can never be resisted. Mr. brian_a_m_stuckless is a simple example of the force of faithful intuition. How much he is right, I am not sure. But I can say one thing: the "proud" will succumb to the applica- tions of the wise, and will be banished from advancing the applications and benefits of harmonious science! I totally agree with this seriously weird soul, and as you know, I even have a few of my very own WMD forms of "harmonious science" that actually has replicated hard-science and otherwise having been based upon the regular laws of physics to boot, that'll kick serious Usenet naysay butt in order to prove it. - Brad Guth |
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mass is light.
tomcat wrote: tomcat wrote: Brad Guth wrote: tomcat, More importantly, it's interesting to note that we're seeing no actual hard numbers coming from these wizards that usually claim to know all there is to know. I believe there's at least 1e100 photons per atom, and we're talking about all the way from those extremely low frequency gravity photons of infinite light years to those sub gamma photons of the sub-picometer status, thus we have lots to pick from. - Brad Guth Light is certainly one of the strangest of objects. In the Double Slit Experiment it acts like a wave until you look for the particles. Then it becomes particles, instead. Albert Einstein used the speed of light as the upper bound for all possible speeds in the Universe. In the broad sense light includes visible light and invisible light, such as X-Rays and Gamma Rays, besides. This is why solar cells produce as well on cloudy days as they do on bright sunny days. Solar cells react to the UV and shorter wavelengths and they can punch through clouds. In fact, this is how you entangle photons. One method is to take a UV photon and turn it into two Infra-Red photons which equal the original energy of the UV photon. Recently light was speeded up in a doped optic fiber. Since the light exceeded the speed of light in a vacuum it transversed the optic fiber backward, instead of entering where it entered. In other words you pour the light in end A and it immediately comes at you from end B. Reference: University of Rochester in New York. This is creating speculation that exceeding the speed of light can take you backwards in time. So, light is a little weird. Perhaps that is why there is some action on this "mass is light" topic. It is time to air some of the weirdness of simple photonic . . . light. tomcat P.S. Reference on the University of Rochester experiment. See: http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/light...rds-10590.html tomcat P.P.S. Reference on the University of Rochester 'Light' experiment. See: http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=2544 tomcat |
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mass is light.
Faster than light, slower than light, stopping light dead in it's
tracks and apparently going backwards is essentially in other words of what others and I'd argued as of several years ago, by which my efforts blew all sorts of Usenet fuses, and I even crashed FAS .org and .com a couple of times in the process. I did the same to the lords and wizards of the MI~NSA BBC/BBCI and summarily got more naysay flack than I'd thought possible, not to mention having ****ed off SETI/OSETI to no end. I was merely going for efficient interplanetary and interstellar communications via photons, as suggesting upon a few science probes or data packets that could be made of light upon light, instead of our physically going there or even sending off a physical probe that'll likely never exceed 1% the speed of light due to the terminal velocity of the ISM, though 10%'c' might conceivably be sustained via my Ra--LRn--Rn--ion thruster that has got a half life Isp that's worthy of 1600 years... Here again, I was suggesting upon our utilizing the LSE-CM/ISS as offering a perfectly viable science platform, if not having arrays of robotic laser cannons actually deployed upon our moon. Of course, all that did was start WW-III. So yes, light and the entire spectrum gauntlet of such photons (the vast majority of which we can't see, and some of which we can't even detect) that as a whole seem a whole lot more important than atoms is indeed extra special in my book. Just don't expect any constructive Usenet topic support, other than from the likes of myself and damn few others that would dare to share their 2 cents worth. - Brad Guth tomcat wrote: tomcat wrote: tomcat wrote: Brad Guth wrote: tomcat, More importantly, it's interesting to note that we're seeing no actual hard numbers coming from these wizards that usually claim to know all there is to know. I believe there's at least 1e100 photons per atom, and we're talking about all the way from those extremely low frequency gravity photons of infinite light years to those sub gamma photons of the sub-picometer status, thus we have lots to pick from. - Brad Guth Light is certainly one of the strangest of objects. In the Double Slit Experiment it acts like a wave until you look for the particles. Then it becomes particles, instead. Albert Einstein used the speed of light as the upper bound for all possible speeds in the Universe. In the broad sense light includes visible light and invisible light, such as X-Rays and Gamma Rays, besides. This is why solar cells produce as well on cloudy days as they do on bright sunny days. Solar cells react to the UV and shorter wavelengths and they can punch through clouds. In fact, this is how you entangle photons. One method is to take a UV photon and turn it into two Infra-Red photons which equal the original energy of the UV photon. Recently light was speeded up in a doped optic fiber. Since the light exceeded the speed of light in a vacuum it transversed the optic fiber backward, instead of entering where it entered. In other words you pour the light in end A and it immediately comes at you from end B. Reference: University of Rochester in New York. This is creating speculation that exceeding the speed of light can take you backwards in time. So, light is a little weird. Perhaps that is why there is some action on this "mass is light" topic. It is time to air some of the weirdness of simple photonic . . . light. tomcat P.S. Reference on the University of Rochester experiment. See: http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/light...rds-10590.html tomcat P.P.S. Reference on the University of Rochester 'Light' experiment. See: http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=2544 tomcat |
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mass is light.
"sam ende" wrote in message ... jonathan wrote: DYNAMICS OF COMPLEX SYSTEMS http://necsi.org/publications/dcs/index.html thanks for the link, it looks interesting. Here's a couple of links where some of the main concepts are introduced in a less detailed way. Self-Organizing Systems (SOS) FAQ Frequently Asked Questions http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm And my favorite site, since they place all the concepts in essay form. http://www.calresco.org/themes.htm And here's a link to one of the founders and his lectures outlining some initial concepts. If anyone thinks my writing is 'fringy', read this. He juggles mathematical concepts using terms like 'trembling hands', 'Adam Smith' and Demons. INVESTIGATIONS THE NATURE OF AUTONOMOUS AGENTS AND THE WORLDS THEY MUTUALLY CREATE STUART A. KAUFFMAN http://www.santafe.edu/sfi/People/ka...tigations.html To really see the significance of these concepts, it's important to spend some time with random boolean networks. Which are to complexity science as the integral is to calculus. This allows you to visualize how a random network can spontaneously organize. And shows how at criticality the network suddenly goes from a simple cyclic network to an explosion in network complexity. It shows how randomness is the ultimate source of evolution, whether living or physical. Random Boolean Networks http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~kaiw/RBN/ CALResCo Software Pages http://www.calresco.org/sos/calressw.htm#oc sammi |
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mass is light.
I'm into thinking if photons are purely 2D quantum string frequency
based items, then perhaps there's a positive photon and a negative photon per given frequency wave, that's otherwise representing itself as a single photon to our eyes and instruments. Perhaps this notion has some bearing on the spin-one/spin-two boson, and of light being capable of going in reverse. - Brad Guth Robert J. Kolker wrote: Brad Guth wrote: I believe there's at least 1e100 photons per atom, and we're talking about all the way from those extremely low frequency gravity photons of infinite light years to those sub gamma photons of the sub-picometer status, thus we have lots to pick from. If the gravitational interaction is mediated by a boson, it will be a spin two boson. A photon is a spin one boson. Bob Kolker |
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