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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010... Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point. But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. ...Best reasons I've heard for impeaching Obama, if not lynching him. How the hell does he expect us to get to ISS? Keep buying Soyuz flights? � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �OM Fiscal responsiblity manned space should be shut down for now. So how would YOU have felt about obama if that were the plan? |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...,1252176.story Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point. But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
On Jan 27, 4:01*pm, OM wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:56:13 -0800, Pat Flannery wrote: Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010... Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point. But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. ...Best reasons I've heard for impeaching Obama, if not lynching him. How the hell does he expect us to get to ISS? Keep buying Soyuz flights? Simple answer can be found if you would keep up on events. NASA is going to buy rides from US commercial providers, meaning Spacex and others. Proposals will start coming out of the woodworks from Boeing, LM and others. Ares I wasn't going to be ready for 5 years or more, which is more than enough for the standard aerospace contractors to have some ready or for Spacex to get things right. |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
" But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. Somewhat off topic - but I would really like to see a list of the things that have been done on the ISS to date that justify it's existance, other that fixing toilets in weightlessness, Things like new miracle drugs, new manufacturing techniques, advances in chemistry and physics, Hell, I'd even settle for something like "A Determination of the Effect of Weightlessness and Low Atmospheric Pressure on the Mating Rituals of the Sub-Sahara Central East African Tse Tse Fly While in the Presence of Atmospheric Constituents Associated with Mid-Sized Primates with Limited Toilet Priviledges". |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
On Jan 27, 7:02�pm, "Val Kraut" wrote:
" But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. Somewhat off topic - but I would really like to see a list of the things that have been done on the ISS to date that justify it's existance, other that fixing toilets in weightlessness, Things like new miracle drugs, new manufacturing techniques, advances in chemistry and physics, Hell, �I'd even settle for something like "A Determination of �the Effect of Weightlessness and Low Atmospheric Pressure on the Mating Rituals of the Sub-Sahara Central East African Tse Tse Fly While in the Presence of Atmospheric Constituents Associated with Mid-Sized Primates with Limited Toilet Priviledges". good luck ISS has just been a example of how NOT to run a program. Science? Thats dead last after pork spending |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
"Me" wrote in message
... I hope oyu're right, but I'm pessimestic that anything will be ready that quickly. On Jan 27, 4:01 pm, OM wrote: On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:56:13 -0800, Pat Flannery wrote: Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010... Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point. But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. ...Best reasons I've heard for impeaching Obama, if not lynching him. How the hell does he expect us to get to ISS? Keep buying Soyuz flights? Simple answer can be found if you would keep up on events. NASA is going to buy rides from US commercial providers, meaning Spacex and others. Proposals will start coming out of the woodworks from Boeing, LM and others. Ares I wasn't going to be ready for 5 years or more, which is more than enough for the standard aerospace contractors to have some ready or for Spacex to get things right. |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
"Val Kraut" wrote in message
... " But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. Somewhat off topic - but I would really like to see a list of the things that have been done on the ISS to date that justify it's existance, other that fixing toilets in weightlessness, Things like new miracle drugs, new manufacturing techniques, advances in chemistry and physics, Hell, I'd even settle for something like "A Determination of the Effect of Weightlessness and Low Atmospheric Pressure on the Mating Rituals of the Sub-Sahara Central East African Tse Tse Fly While in the Presence of Atmospheric Constituents Associated with Mid-Sized Primates with Limited Toilet Priviledges". http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...xpedition.html Start here. The problem with most science is "it's boring." That's why people don't hear much about it. Don't see ant Tse-Tse flies though. -- Greg Moore Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC. |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
"Pat Flannery" wrote in message news Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...,1252176.story Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point. But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. OK, does everyone here now understand why trying to repeat history is such a glaring mistake? Because as time goes by, the 'landscape' changes. It's like trying to apply the same solution to two different problems. If the first 'solution' or goal was CORRECT, the second one will always ....... BE WRONG! And proportionally so! So, predictably, the glowing success of Apollo should immediately foreshadow a dismal failure with "To the Moon and Mars". Finally! So now we can start talking about what NASA should (could) become once the economy turns around. Which just might be the right amount of time for Space Solar Power to become practical. As all the trends like oil prices, climate change and lower cost to orbit might be more ...aligned...by then. Say, around the start of Obama's second term? Plenty of time to change a lots of opinions. Beats just talking about NASA and the latest ......climate change data....merely talking about the weather, like some old folks home. Imagining the best possible future is the only way to create a worthwhile goal. Jonathan s |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:02:01 -0500, "Val Kraut"
wrote: Somewhat off topic - but I would really like to see a list of the things that have been done on the ISS to date that justify it's existance, other that fixing toilets in weightlessness, Things like new miracle drugs, new manufacturing techniques, advances in chemistry and physics, Hell, I'd even settle for something like "A Determination of the Effect of Weightlessness and Low Atmospheric Pressure on the Mating Rituals of the Sub-Sahara Central East African Tse Tse Fly While in the Presence of Atmospheric Constituents Associated with Mid-Sized Primates with Limited Toilet Priviledges". Keep in mind, ISS isn't finished. It didn't get its full-fledged laboratories until 2008 (Destiny was there earlier, but it was used mostly for command and control) didn't complete its power grid to run them at 100% until last spring, and didn't get a full crew of six that provided time for significant scientific work until last summer. So it shouldn't come as a surprise that major advances and miracle drugs have not yet appeared. Except that, maybe one has: a vaccine for salmonella. http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/0...a-vaccine.html So if ISS has generated a vaccine for an illness that sickens millions and kills thousands ever year, and did that before it was even fully operational, then maybe it deserves more time and funding to do its job. But as Greg says, the ISS is a laboratory, and the vast majority of laboratory work is mundane, seldom making headlines. Breakthroughs come after years or decades of such work. ISS critics demand the breakthroughs, but don't want to pay for the mundane work. Brian |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote:
"Val Kraut" wrote in message ... " But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. Somewhat off topic - but I would really like to see a list of the things that have been done on the ISS to date that justify it's existance, other that fixing toilets in weightlessness, Things like new miracle drugs, new manufacturing techniques, advances in chemistry and physics, Hell, I'd even settle for something like "A Determination of the Effect of Weightlessness and Low Atmospheric Pressure on the Mating Rituals of the Sub-Sahara Central East African Tse Tse Fly While in the Presence of Atmospheric Constituents Associated with Mid-Sized Primates with Limited Toilet Priviledges". http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...xpedition.html Start here. The problem with most science is "it's boring." That's why people don't hear much about it. It's not so much that, but rather that if the science isn't exciting the people don't think it's science. Decades of edutainment have done that for us. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/ -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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