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Old September 21st 11, 04:37 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
Dean
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On Sep 20, 10:36*pm, bob haller wrote:
wonder if hubble could image it, or a NRO spy sat? or image it using a
sat on the way somewhere else.. like a comet or asteroid
mission.......

how about a manned mission to a comet or asteroid with a stop *to pick
up snoopy?

in such a case retrieval might be easier the large problem will be
deorbiting it.........

currently no one has a way to return large items from orbit


Sure there's a way to return large items from orbit. Think about it.
LOL
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Old September 21st 11, 09:09 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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Sure there's a way to return large items from orbit. *Think about it.
LOL


easy if you dont mind returning it as a fireball..........

how would we get anything large back today? intact?

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Old September 21st 11, 09:20 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
Andre Lieven[_3_]
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On Sep 20, 10:36*pm, bob haller knew
nothing:
wonder if hubble could image it, or a NRO spy sat?


In order to do that, *one would have to know where it IS first*...

Are you professionally stupid, or do you do it only as a hobby ?

or image it using a
sat on the way somewhere else.. like a comet or asteroid
mission.......


Ibid.

how about a manned mission to a comet or asteroid with a stop*to pick
up snoopy?


The sheer depth and width of the willful ignorance in such a statement
is breathtaking, and suggests that the writer of same is even too
stupid
to be a political teabagger...

1) Unmanned probes tend to be a LOT smaller than an ascent stage
of a LM.
2) Stopping in space requires a LOT of fuel; Ditto then getting back
up
to speed afterwards, which is why the non-morons who run actual
space programs don't contemplate, much less try to do such a
retarded thing.
3) A vehicle that could dock with a LM ascent stage and then
maneuver with it attached would need to be a) Big, b) Contain
a very powerful (Relative to it's own size and weight) engine, which
c) Then requires a LOT of fuel and tankage therof.

In short, such a dedicated mission would likely require a launcher
in the Saturn V class, especially as the payload would need to
at least perform 1) One TLI class burn, 2) Several rendezvous
burns, 3) A Return To Earth velocity change burn, never mind then
either 4a) An Earth orbit insertion burn, or 4b) Haul a large heat
shield and parachute deployment mechanism in order to land the
now recovered LM-4 ascent stage.

That's if the recovery ship is unmanned; Make the recovery ship
manned, and we're gonna need several Saturn V class launches.

in such a case retrieval might be easier the large problem will be
deorbiting it.........


-That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed
without evidence.-

currently no one has a way to return large items from orbit


Indeed, which is what YOU wanted in the first place, years ago.

Andre
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Old September 21st 11, 09:54 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On 9/20/2011 10:50 AM, Andre Lieven wrote:

Correction, it's not the oldest thing still up there, that's Vanguard 1
- a tiny thing weighing only 3.2 pounds that would be very easy to grab
and return:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard_1


I tend to use Vanguard 1 as a personal touchstone to my connection
to the Space Age, as it was launched four days before I was, but I
outweighed it, even at the time. :-)


I'm pre-Sputnik, and weigh about twice as much as it did nowadays.
Somewhere, out in solar orbit, lurk Luna-1 and its upper stage.
I don't know if its nose cone is out there also, or if it got jettisoned
during the ascent.

Pat

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Old September 22nd 11, 06:00 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On 9/21/2011 12:20 PM, Andre Lieven wrote:

In order to do that, *one would have to know where it IS first*...


They might spot it in one of those photographic searches looking for
small NEOs, like one of the Saturn S-IVB stages was spotted that way:
Earth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J002E3

Pat
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Old September 22nd 11, 07:10 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On Sep 22, 1:00*am, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 9/21/2011 12:20 PM, Andre Lieven wrote:

In order to do that, *one would have to know where it IS first*...


They might spot it in one of those photographic searches looking for
small NEOs, like one of the Saturn S-IVB stages was spotted that way:
Earth:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J002E3


Indeed they might. The point is that until they do so, using an
instrument such as Hubble would be a 100% waste of time.

Andre
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Old September 22nd 11, 01:02 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On Sep 22, 2:10*am, Andre Lieven wrote:
On Sep 22, 1:00*am, Pat Flannery wrote:

On 9/21/2011 12:20 PM, Andre Lieven wrote:


In order to do that, *one would have to know where it IS first*...


They might spot it in one of those photographic searches looking for
small NEOs, like one of the Saturn S-IVB stages was spotted that way:
Earth:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J002E3


Indeed they might. The point is that until they do so, using an
instrument such as Hubble would be a 100% waste of time.

Andre


Well they did image and track a apollo booster that accidently got
into heliospheric orbit........ so its possible..

retrieval could be done by a unmanned robotic craft with a docking
probe left over from a apollo display, assumng snoopy isnt tumbling..

the vehicles primary mission could be somewhere else. also a good
first test to redirect a asteroid .......

involves tracking , manuvering docking and redirecting.

snoopy might first get relocated to a high earth orbit.......

its easy top say impossible but sometimes creative solutions can be
found.

scientifically the study of very long term space exposure on such a
well documented vehicle could be useful
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Old September 22nd 11, 10:22 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
Andre Lieven[_3_]
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On Sep 22, 8:02*am, bob haller moroned:
On Sep 22, 2:10*am, Andre Lieven wrote:

On Sep 22, 1:00*am, Pat Flannery wrote:


On 9/21/2011 12:20 PM, Andre Lieven wrote:


In order to do that, *one would have to know where it IS first*...


They might spot it in one of those photographic searches looking for
small NEOs, like one of the Saturn S-IVB stages was spotted that way:
Earth:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J002E3


Indeed they might. The point is that until they do so, using an
instrument such as Hubble would be a 100% waste of time.


Andre


Well they did image and track a apollo booster that accidently got
into heliospheric orbit........ so its possible..


1) An SIVB is a LOT bigger than an ascent LM stage.
2) They tracked the SIVB AFTER they spotted it, because it is such
a large and reflective object.

retrieval could be done by a unmanned robotic craft with a docking
probe left over from a apollo display, assumng snoopy isnt tumbling..


-That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed
without evidence.-

the vehicles primary mission could be somewhere else. also a good
first test to redirect a asteroid .......


Yes, because asteroids come factory equipped with docking ports...

involves tracking , manuvering docking and redirecting.

snoopy might first get relocated to a high earth orbit.......


In which case, the space tug that does this AIN'T going anywhere
else...

its easy top say impossible but sometimes creative solutions can be
found.


In your case, 'creative' equals 'factless and clueless'.

scientifically the study of very long term space exposure on such a
well documented vehicle could be useful


LDEF did that. Duh.

Andre
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Old September 23rd 11, 01:57 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On 9/22/2011 1:22 PM, Andre Lieven wrote:
scientifically the study of very long term space exposure on such a
well documented vehicle could be useful


LDEF did that. Duh.


If they could recover Vanguard 1 or 2 they could get pretty much the
ultimate data on micrometeor impact probability on a spacecraft on a
yearly basis; their spherical shape would be ideal for this.

Pat

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Old September 23rd 11, 04:55 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
Andre Lieven[_3_]
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On Sep 22, 8:57*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 9/22/2011 1:22 PM, Andre Lieven wrote:

scientifically the study of very long term space exposure on such a
well documented vehicle could be useful


LDEF did that. Duh.


If they could recover Vanguard 1 or 2 they could get pretty much the
ultimate data on micrometeor impact probability on a spacecraft on a
yearly basis; their spherical shape would be ideal for this.


Yep. It would also be wicked kewl, and it would not be that hard to
do;
Surely recovering a 2KG object in Earth orbit is far, far easier than
trying
to corral something hugely bigger and father away...

Andre
 




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