Sagnac Idiocy

Dr. Henri Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:28:44 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen"
wrote:

Dr. Henri Wilson wrote:
BaTh says that the rays move at c wrt the moving source from the (static)
emission point. They move at c+v and c-v (wrt the no-rotating frame) around the
ring. BaTh says the travel times are the same and elements emitted
simultaneously arrive at the detector simltaneously.
And since the "elemens" of a ray which travel with the phase velocity c+/-v
are planes of equal phase, the phases blatantly obviously have to
be equal if they meet _simultaneously_ at the detector.

Sorry Paul, unlike your 'moving squiggles' BaTh the front of a BaTh photon
oscillates once every absolute wavelength traveled.

I suppose 'oscillating' means that some entity is varying cyclically.
Lets call that entity 'phi' (or anything else you might suggest).
Would you please express what you stated above mathematically?
phi(x,t) = ?

Too hard for you? :-)
--
Paul

http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:13:58 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen"
wrote:

Dr. Henri Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:28:44 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen"
wrote:

Dr. Henri Wilson wrote:
BaTh says that the rays move at c wrt the moving source from the (static)
emission point. They move at c+v and c-v (wrt the no-rotating frame) around the
ring. BaTh says the travel times are the same and elements emitted
simultaneously arrive at the detector simltaneously.
And since the "elemens" of a ray which travel with the phase velocity c+/-v
are planes of equal phase, the phases blatantly obviously have to
be equal if they meet _simultaneously_ at the detector.

Sorry Paul, unlike your 'moving squiggles' BaTh the front of a BaTh photon
oscillates once every absolute wavelength traveled.

I suppose 'oscillating' means that some entity is varying cyclically.
Lets call that entity 'phi' (or anything else you might suggest).
Would you please express what you stated above mathematically?
phi(x,t) = ?

Too hard for you? :-)

See my reply to George where I define photon wavelength..



Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)

www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:11:56 GMT, "Androcles"
wrote:


"Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
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: On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:31:13 GMT, "Androcles"
: wrote:

: You've never seen a photon from a single hydrogen atom and never will.
: This is from a molecule, H2.
: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ic/hydtube.jpg
:
: You have difficulty counting and with basic chemistry as well as
: basics physics, of course.
:
: Hydrogen has ONE electron, dummy pommie engineer.
:
Jesus ****ing wept...
You have difficulty with basic chemistry as well as basics physics
and counting, of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen

At standard temperature and pressure it is a colorless, odorless,
nonmetallic, tasteless, highly flammable diatomic gas (H2).
Jeez, I wonder what "diatomic" means...

****ing ignorant engineers.....!
Shouldn't be allowed into physics groups....

International Scientific Vocabulary
Date:
circa 1859
: consisting of two atoms : having two atoms in the molecule

Hydrogen emission spectra is derived from atomic Hydrogen. The molecules have
long since broken down in the heat.
Molecular H2 bonds absorb and emit in the far IR or microwave region. That's
why your microwave oven cooks potatoes.


Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)

www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

"Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
...
: On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:11:56 GMT, "Androcles"
: wrote:
:
:
: "Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
: .. .
: : On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:31:13 GMT, "Androcles"

: : wrote:
:
: : You've never seen a photon from a single hydrogen atom and never will.
: : This is from a molecule, H2.
: :
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ic/hydtube.jpg
: :
: : You have difficulty counting and with basic chemistry as well as
: : basics physics, of course.
: :
: : Hydrogen has ONE electron, dummy pommie engineer.
: :
: Jesus ****ing wept...
: You have difficulty with basic chemistry as well as basics physics
: and counting, of course.
:
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen
:
: At standard temperature and pressure it is a colorless, odorless,
: nonmetallic, tasteless, highly flammable diatomic gas (H2).
: Jeez, I wonder what "diatomic" means...
:
: ****ing ignorant engineers.....!
: Shouldn't be allowed into physics groups....
:
: International Scientific Vocabulary
: Date:
: circa 1859
: : consisting of two atoms : having two atoms in the molecule
:
: Hydrogen emission spectra is derived from atomic Hydrogen.

NO!!! Dishpan would say that!! (knee-jerk, knee-jerk)

Hydrogen emission spectra is derived from molecular hydrogen.

: The molecules have
: long since broken down in the heat.

If that were true then tungsten would vaporise in incandescent
bulbs instead of giving a continuous spectrum from an intact
filament. Colour is temperature. The solar spectrum is continuous,
the molecules of hydrogen in a gas have a full range of velocities.


: Molecular H2 bonds absorb and emit in the far IR or microwave region.
That's
: why your microwave oven cooks potatoes.

Potatoes are not a gas nor do they contain molecular hydrogen, they are
mostly starch.
Starch is the major carbohydrate reserve in plant tubers and seed endosperm
where it is found as granules, each typically containing several million
amylopectin molecules accompanied by a much larger number of smaller amylose
molecules. By far the largest source of starch is corn (maize) with other
commonly used sources being wheat, potato, tapioca and rice.

Try a paper clip. I melted a pit in the glass turntable in mine as it
emitted visible light. The ****ing thing sparks. Colour is temperature.

Hydrogen emission spectra is derived from molecular hydrogen,
the molecules do not break down into single atoms to emit visible
spectral lines which obey the series that Balmer, Paschen, Pfund
et. al. found.
When they do break down we get gamma rays, but that's a whole
different story.