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"Year of Our Lord" in the news
On 2010-04-02, Mark Brader wrote:
Adam Funk: Just saw this in the news... A group of students at Trinity University is lobbying trustees to drop a reference to "Our Lord" on their diplomas, .... Umm, the name of the university it a bit of a give-away too. Well, not necessarily, although it is suggestive. St. Paul College http://www.saintpaul.edu in Minnesota isn't a religious college -- it's located in the city of St. Paul. Yabbut in this case it would be called St Anthony University. ;-) (San Antonio, TX) -- I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, [my daughter] will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?' [Mike Godwin, EFF http://www.eff.org/ ] |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news
Peter Moylan wrote:
[..."Jesus Christ"...] A lot of people don't know that it's a title. (I bet there are some people who even think that it was his surname.) Someone who is not from a Judeo-Christian background would be even less likely to know. Ah, that expression again! I've been pondering the term "Jud(a)eo-Christian", or its more recent uses, lately. In this case, what's "Judeo" about the "Christ" bit? -- Mike. |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 07:55:08 +0800, Robert Bannister
wrote: wrote: What I don't understand is why those who don't believe in Jesus Christ keep calling him Jesus Christ. Isn't the core of the question whether he was a christ or not? It seems to me they weaken the appearance of their argument, or the argument itself, when they call him by a title one would otherwise think they think he doesn't deserve. Because most people think "Christ" is his surname - Mrs Mary Christ had a baby and called it Jesus Harold Christ. Jesus Haploid Christ... -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news
On Apr 2, 9:36*pm, Hatunen wrote:
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 07:55:08 +0800, Robert Bannister wrote: wrote: What I don't understand is why those who don't believe in Jesus Christ keep calling him Jesus Christ. *Isn't the core of the question whether he was a christ or not? *It seems to me they weaken the appearance of their argument, or the argument itself, when they call him by a title one would otherwise think they think he doesn't deserve. Because most people think "Christ" is his surname - Mrs Mary Christ had a baby and called it Jesus Harold Christ. Jesus Haploid Christ... *chuckle out loud* -- Jerry Friedman |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news
Mike Lyle wrote:
Peter Moylan wrote: [..."Jesus Christ"...] A lot of people don't know that it's a title. (I bet there are some people who even think that it was his surname.) Someone who is not from a Judeo-Christian background would be even less likely to know. Ah, that expression again! I've been pondering the term "Jud(a)eo-Christian", or its more recent uses, lately. In this case, what's "Judeo" about the "Christ" bit? It depends on which brand of Christianity you're talking about. Conservative Christianity, as represented by the Catholics, the Anglicans, and a few others, focus on Pauline doctrines and take very little from Jewish tradition. The more fundamentalist Christians, on the other hand, ignore most of the New Testament and get most of their orgasms from the nastier parts of the bible. My reason for using "Judaeo-Christian" - thanks for supply the letter I dropped - in this case was because I suspect that Jews are more conscious of the meaning of "Christ" than most Christians are. The Christians who do understand that it's a title are the ones who understand why it was so important to trace the genealogy of Jesus, through his father who against all tradition was probably his real father, back to David. In other words, the ones who realised that he didn't deserve the title until after he had kicked out the Romans. (He didn't? Well, minor detail.) -- Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news
On 2010-04-02, Mike Lyle wrote:
Peter Moylan wrote: [..."Jesus Christ"...] A lot of people don't know that it's a title. (I bet there are some people who even think that it was his surname.) Someone who is not from a Judeo-Christian background would be even less likely to know. Ah, that expression again! I've been pondering the term "Jud(a)eo-Christian", or its more recent uses, lately. In this case, what's "Judeo" about the "Christ" bit? As Archie Bunker said --- after he arrived to give a eulogy at a colleague's funeral and was surprised to find it in a synagogue, and Edith shouted "Here, don't forget your beanie!" as he was heading up to the lectern [1] --- "Sorry, I didn't know he was Jewish, so there were a couple of things about Jesus in here," waving his notes, "but anyway Jesus was a Jew until God told him 'No more of that.'" (This is from memory from about 20 years ago, so it's not an exact quote.) [1] If this is not the right term for it in a synagogue, I don't know what it should be, & I'm sorry. -- Oh, I do most of my quality thinking on the old sandbox. [Bucky Katt] |
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The perpetual calendar
On Mar 9, 11:48*pm, "Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
On Mar 9, 7:16*pm, Andrew Usher wrote: Dr J R Stockton wrote: In sci.astro message ooglegroups.com, Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:18:50, Peter T. Daniels posted: The people who put dates on cornerstones these days (since "CE" was invented, that is) don't generally provide any era designation. The dates on cornerstones are necessarily AD, if presumed to be on the Julian or Gregorian Calendars, because BC had already ceased when those were invented. Peter clearly thinks we all need to write CE now and there's something wrong with AD. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????? Why would you put "C.E." on a cornerstone? It makes no sense to use "A.D." in any context that isn't explicitly Christian, which is why "C.E." was invented in the middle of the last also a reminder of the mistakes in calculation and historical reconstruction made by the monk who designed the era. century. well, actually many muslim countries use the arabic term mi:la:di: litt. "concerning the birthday" (except Libya, which under Qadhdhafi invented its own solar era starting with the tradional birthyear of Muhammad and called it "mi:la:di:"). usually al-mi:la:d refers to the birthday of Jesus (recognized as a very important prophet) while other synonyms are used for that of Muhammad. I had assumed that "Year of Our Lord" would be objectionable to muslims, as they do not recognize as divine. but a western convert from Christianity argued that the Latin word used was not objectionable for reasons of detail that I forgot. |
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The perpetual calendar
On Apr 4, 6:38*pm, Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
On Mar 9, 11:48*pm, "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: On Mar 9, 7:16*pm, Andrew Usher wrote: Dr J R Stockton wrote: In sci.astro message ooglegroups.com, Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:18:50, Peter T. Daniels posted: The people who put dates on cornerstones these days (since "CE" was invented, that is) don't generally provide any era designation. The dates on cornerstones are necessarily AD, if presumed to be on the Julian or Gregorian Calendars, because BC had already ceased when those were invented. Peter clearly thinks we all need to write CE now and there's something wrong with AD. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????? Why would you put "C.E." on a cornerstone? It makes no sense to use "A.D." in any context that isn't explicitly Christian, which is why "C.E." was invented in the middle of the last also a reminder of the mistakes in calculation and historical reconstruction made by the monk who designed the era. century. well, actually many muslim countries use the arabic term mi:la:di: litt. *"concerning the birthday" (except Libya, which under Qadhdhafi invented its own solar era starting with the tradional birthyear of Muhammad and called it "mi:la:di:"). usually al-mi:la:d refers to the or in arabic in the feminine mi:la:diyya(t), qualifying sana(t) "year" (fem.). in Libya in the Christian era is now called 'ifranjiyy / 'ifranjiyya(t) lit. "Frankish", meaning "Western European" but rather obsolete in formal discourse, except when discussing the Crusades etc. birthday of Jesus (recognized as a very important prophet) while other synonyms are used for that of Muhammad. I had assumed that "Year of Our Lord" would be objectionable to muslims, as they do not recognize as divine. but a western convert from Christianity argued that the Latin word used was not objectionable for reasons of detail that I forgot. |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 07:55:08 +0800, Robert Bannister
wrote: wrote: What I don't understand is why those who don't believe in Jesus Christ keep calling him Jesus Christ. Isn't the core of the question whether he was a christ or not? It seems to me they weaken the appearance of their argument, or the argument itself, when they call him by a title one would otherwise think they think he doesn't deserve. Because most people think "Christ" is his surname - Mrs Mary Christ had a baby and called it Jesus Harold Christ. Okay, you guys have convinced me that is the reason, even among those with Jewish or Christian backgrounds. I guess the ex(?)-governor of Florida doesn't help. |
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