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Old June 21st 08, 05:19 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,alt.philosophy,alt.journalism
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Default .. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?


What future would he write? Or would you?


A future based on what is likely to occur
based on current facts and trends?

Or a future NASA ..should...have in an
otherwise perfect world?


I know what I would write. It would be a future
where NASA plays the central role in fulfilling
the promise of space. Which I believe is taking
the human race to the next level of understanding
ability to survive, and prosperity.

That NASA should become the vehicle for creating
....Truth and Justice...for the future of the entire planet
and be an ever growing source of inspiration across
space and time.

...............................................

Would such a movie include a Space Program like this?
Which President Bush canceled his first year in office?


A program which conceivably could end our dependence
on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the
two largest global future threats?

"NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)"

While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia"
for the future?

"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space
Solar Power (SSP) Exploratory Research and Technology
(SERT) program was charged to develop technologies
needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical
power from space-based solar energy converters."
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1


Statement of John C. Mankins
Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies
Office of Space Flight
September 7, 2000

Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee,

"NASA has examined the viability of large-scale space solar power
(SSP) systems through a series of studies and preliminary technology
research activities."

"Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:"

"a. Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that
requires numerous significant advances in current technology
and capabilities

b. A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths
for achieving all needed advances"

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html



I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels
with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before the
oil runs out, or global warming becomes irreversible.

Whichever comes first~


Jonathan


"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and
do the other things, not because they are easy, but
because they are hard, because that goal will serve
to organize and measure the best of our energies
and skills, because that challenge is one that we
are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to
postpone, and one which we intend to win..."

-JFK





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Old June 21st 08, 09:54 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,alt.philosophy,alt.journalism
Rand Simberg[_1_]
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Default .. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:19:44 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:


What future would he write? Or would you?


A future based on what is likely to occur
based on current facts and trends?

Or a future NASA ..should...have in an
otherwise perfect world?


I know what I would write. It would be a future
where NASA plays the central role in fulfilling
the promise of space.


In other words, like most of what you write, it would be fiction.
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Old June 21st 08, 10:12 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,alt.philosophy,alt.journalism
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On Jun 21, 9:19�am, "jonathan" wrote:
What future would he write? Or would you?

A future based on what is likely to occur
based on current facts and trends?

Or a future NASA ..should...have in an
otherwise perfect world?

I know what I would write. It would be a future
where NASA plays the central role in fulfilling
the promise of space. Which I believe is taking
the human race to the next level of understanding
ability to survive, and prosperity.

That NASA should become the vehicle for creating
...Truth and Justice...for the future of the entire planet
and be an ever growing source of inspiration across
space and time.

..............................................

Would such a movie include a Space Program like this?
Which President Bush canceled his first year in office?

A program which conceivably could end our dependence
on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the
two largest global future threats?

"NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)"

While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia"
for the future?

"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space
Solar Power (SSP) �Exploratory Research and Technology
(SERT) program was charged to develop �technologies
needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical
power from space-based solar energy converters."http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1

Statement of John C. Mankins
Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies
Office of Space Flight
September 7, 2000

Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee,

"NASA has examined the viability of large-scale space solar power
(SSP) systems through a series of studies and preliminary technology
research activities."

"Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:"

"a. �Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that
� � �requires numerous significant advances in current technology
� � �and capabilities

�b. � A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths
� � � �for achieving all needed advances"

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html

I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels
with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before the
oil runs out, or global warming becomes irreversible.

Whichever comes first~

Jonathan

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and
� � do the other things, not because they are easy, but
� �because they are hard, because that goal will serve
� � �to organize and measure the best of our energies
� � and skills, because that challenge is one that we
� � � are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to
� � �postpone, and one which we intend to win..."

� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �-JFK

s


The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about
sending a shuttle to Mars. Then we would mine the Universe for its
vast riches and explore more planets. We certainly have the
technology to do this, it's just a matter of logistics.

C3
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Old June 22nd 08, 12:20 AM posted to sci.space.history
Darren J Longhorn
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:12:58 -0700 (PDT), C3 wrote:

The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about
sending a shuttle to Mars. Then we would mine the Universe for its
vast riches and explore more planets. We certainly have the
technology to do this, it's just a matter of logistics.


http://www.postcardsfromthefuture.net/

--
Darren J Longhorn
It's all faked, I tell you, all of it!
You want proof? I'll give you your stinkin' proof...
http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/proof/nasa2.jpg
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Old June 22nd 08, 03:25 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,alt.philosophy,alt.journalism
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Default .. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead ofit's past?

On Jun 21, 2:12 pm, C3 wrote:
On Jun 21, 9:19�am, "jonathan" wrote:



What future would he write? Or would you?


A future based on what is likely to occur
based on current facts and trends?


Or a future NASA ..should...have in an
otherwise perfect world?


I know what I would write. It would be a future
where NASA plays the central role in fulfilling
the promise of space. Which I believe is taking
the human race to the next level of understanding
ability to survive, and prosperity.


That NASA should become the vehicle for creating
...Truth and Justice...for the future of the entire planet
and be an ever growing source of inspiration across
space and time.


..............................................


Would such a movie include a Space Program like this?
Which President Bush canceled his first year in office?


A program which conceivably could end our dependence
on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the
two largest global future threats?


"NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)"


While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia"
for the future?


"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space
Solar Power (SSP) �Exploratory Research and Technology
(SERT) program was charged to develop �technologies
needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical
power from space-based solar energy converters."http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1


Statement of John C. Mankins
Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies
Office of Space Flight
September 7, 2000


Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee,


"NASA has examined the viability of large-scale space solar power
(SSP) systems through a series of studies and preliminary technology
research activities."


"Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:"


"a. �Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that
� � �requires numerous significant advances in current technology
� � �and capabilities


�b. � A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths
� � � �for achieving all needed advances"


http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html


I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels
with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before the
oil runs out, or global warming becomes irreversible.


Whichever comes first~


Jonathan


"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and
� � do the other things, not because they are easy, but
� �because they are hard, because that goal will serve
� � �to organize and measure the best of our energies
� � and skills, because that challenge is one that we
� � � are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to
� � �postpone, and one which we intend to win...."


� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �-JFK


s


The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about
sending a shuttle to Mars. Then we would mine the Universe for its
vast riches and explore more planets. We certainly have the
technology to do this, it's just a matter of logistics.

C3


The Space Shuttle is not designed to go to Mars, much less the Moon.
It is designed and engineered for low earth orbit only.
It lacks the delta vee to get out of earth orbit.
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Old June 22nd 08, 04:58 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,alt.philosophy,alt.journalism
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
...


In other words, like most of what you write, it would be fiction.



Detailing the past is easy. Scientifically predicting the future in detail
is what's hard.

You objectively trained folks have it all so backwards. Relying on
'facts' and details of the past in order to predict the future.
And thus gain control over the present. That doesn't work.
The world is non-linear, and unpredictable.

If your 'modern' method gives almost zero ability to predict the future.
The reverse must do just the opposite. The way around the problem
of /predicting/ the future of a non-linear world is to replace detailing
reality, with imagining the future.

The more accurate or detailed our imagination is of the future
the more likely we can make the proper decisions needed
to make that future a reality. And the better chance we have
of knowing in advance what our future is to be.

Also, the path to finding personal contentment /today/ is in the hope
and promise of a better future. So, imagining a better future is the
path to improving the present, and should be our highest scientific
/and/ personal priority.


Jonathan

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Old June 22nd 08, 06:09 AM posted to sci.space.history
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"Darren J Longhorn" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:12:58 -0700 (PDT), C3 wrote:

The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about
sending a shuttle to Mars. Then we would mine the Universe for its
vast riches and explore more planets. We certainly have the
technology to do this, it's just a matter of logistics.


http://www.postcardsfromthefuture.net/




I'll be damned!

What we need is a competition among future visions.

The problem with the classical approach to 'selling'
the future of space is with this 'faith-based' approach.
Which for the Vision is essentially 'if we build it they
will come'. Having faith that tangible benefits of all
kinds will naturally flow from building bases on
the Moon and Mars.

That's just poor logic. Because it places our 'faith' in the
wrong place. In discoveries or new markets that are
only vaguely expressed, and are very far off in the future.
The KEY SELLING POINTS, are as unclear and distant
as possible.Minimizing the potential appeal and inspiration.

What drives a projects success is the level of clear and
unambiguous tangible benefits that will be returned.
That needs to be maximized, not minimized as
with the Vision.

You maximize the clear benefits by tackling the biggest
single problem facing the future of the entire planet.
So that /everyone/ on the planet has a clear interest
in it's success.

Where does NASA, space travel and the largest global
threats ...overlap???

A logical goal, one that maximizes potential support
and effect on our future, is one revolving around
creating an unending and clean source of energy.

A logical goal designed to maximize potential
support and effect on our future would be one
like..."Replacing fossil fuels with solar power
before global warming becomes irreversible".

It's an extremely difficult goal and within a very
demanding time constraint. But like Apollo, I have
faith we'll figure out how to accomplish it
along the way.








--
Darren J Longhorn
It's all faked, I tell you, all of it!
You want proof? I'll give you your stinkin' proof...
http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/proof/nasa2.jpg



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Old June 22nd 08, 07:11 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,alt.philosophy,alt.journalism
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On Jun 21, 8:58 pm, "jonathan" wrote:
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message

...



In other words, like most of what you write, it would be fiction.


Detailing the past is easy. Scientifically predicting the future in detail
is what's hard.

You objectively trained folks have it all so backwards. Relying on
'facts' and details of the past in order to predict the future.
And thus gain control over the present. That doesn't work.
The world is non-linear, and unpredictable.

If your 'modern' method gives almost zero ability to predict the future.
The reverse must do just the opposite. The way around the problem
of /predicting/ the future of a non-linear world is to replace detailing
reality, with imagining the future.

The more accurate or detailed our imagination is of the future
the more likely we can make the proper decisions needed
to make that future a reality. And the better chance we have
of knowing in advance what our future is to be.

Also, the path to finding personal contentment /today/ is in the hope
and promise of a better future. So, imagining a better future is the
path to improving the present, and should be our highest scientific
/and/ personal priority.

Jonathan

s


If the future is having to be entirely based upon sustaining the lies
upon lies of the past, what's the point (other than bad science
fiction)?

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
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Old June 22nd 08, 07:15 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,alt.philosophy,alt.journalism
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On Jun 21, 7:25 pm, M wrote:
On Jun 21, 2:12 pm, C3 wrote:



On Jun 21, 9:19�am, "jonathan" wrote:


What future would he write? Or would you?


A future based on what is likely to occur
based on current facts and trends?


Or a future NASA ..should...have in an
otherwise perfect world?


I know what I would write. It would be a future
where NASA plays the central role in fulfilling
the promise of space. Which I believe is taking
the human race to the next level of understanding
ability to survive, and prosperity.


That NASA should become the vehicle for creating
...Truth and Justice...for the future of the entire planet
and be an ever growing source of inspiration across
space and time.


..............................................


Would such a movie include a Space Program like this?
Which President Bush canceled his first year in office?


A program which conceivably could end our dependence
on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the
two largest global future threats?


"NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)"


While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia"
for the future?


"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space
Solar Power (SSP) �Exploratory Research and Technology
(SERT) program was charged to develop �technologies
needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical
power from space-based solar energy converters."http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1


Statement of John C. Mankins
Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies
Office of Space Flight
September 7, 2000


Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee,


"NASA has examined the viability of large-scale space solar power
(SSP) systems through a series of studies and preliminary technology
research activities."


"Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:"


"a. �Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that
� � �requires numerous significant advances in current technology
� � �and capabilities


�b. � A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths
� � � �for achieving all needed advances"


http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html


I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels
with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before the
oil runs out, or global warming becomes irreversible.


Whichever comes first~


Jonathan


"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and
� � do the other things, not because they are easy, but
� �because they are hard, because that goal will serve
� � �to organize and measure the best of our energies
� � and skills, because that challenge is one that we
� � � are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to
� � �postpone, and one which we intend to win...."


� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �-JFK


s


The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about
sending a shuttle to Mars. Then we would mine the Universe for its
vast riches and explore more planets. We certainly have the
technology to do this, it's just a matter of logistics.


C3


The Space Shuttle is not designed to go to Mars, much less the Moon.
It is designed and engineered for low earth orbit only.
It lacks the delta vee to get out of earth orbit.


It also lacks sufficient gamma shielding, not to mention thermal
isolation capability and no possible fly-by-rocket landing capability,
although it could be used as an impressive guided impactor.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
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On Jun 21, 12:19*pm, "jonathan" wrote:
What future would he write? Or would you?


He wouldn't write any. Since the people with science brains
invented Miicorcomputers, Fiber Optics, DWD+RW, GPS, PV Cells,
RNA, Lasers, Stealth, A.I. Robots, and nanotech to remind both NASA
and Tom Hanks,
that NASA is a Government Agency, rather than a science agency,



A future based on what is likely to occur
based on current facts and trends?

Or a future NASA ..should...have in an
otherwise perfect world?

I know what I would write. It would be a future
where NASA plays the central role in fulfilling
the promise of space. Which I believe is taking
the human race to the next level of understanding
ability to survive, and prosperity.

That NASA should become the vehicle for creating
...Truth and Justice...for the future of the entire planet
and be an ever growing source of inspiration across
space and time.

..............................................

Would such a movie include a Space Program like this?
Which President Bush canceled his first year in office?

A program which conceivably could end our dependence
on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the
two largest global future threats?

"NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)"

While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia"
for the future?

"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space
Solar Power (SSP) *Exploratory Research and Technology
(SERT) program was charged to develop *technologies
needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical
power from space-based solar energy converters."http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1

Statement of John C. Mankins
Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies
Office of Space Flight
September 7, 2000

Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee,

"NASA has examined the viability of large-scale space solar power
(SSP) systems through a series of studies and preliminary technology
research activities."

"Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:"

"a. *Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that
* * *requires numerous significant advances in current technology
* * *and capabilities

*b. * A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths
* * * *for achieving all needed advances"

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html

I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels
with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before the
oil runs out, or global warming becomes irreversible.

Whichever comes first~

Jonathan

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and
* * do the other things, not because they are easy, but
* *because they are hard, because that goal will serve
* * *to organize and measure the best of our energies
* * and skills, because that challenge is one that we
* * * are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to
* * *postpone, and one which we intend to win..."

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-JFK

s


 




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