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*2010* Model Puzzle from Museum Exhibit
Friends, I have a puzzle for you.
What spacecraft is over my head in this picture? http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/350870509/ In September, I visited a terrific place, the American Museum of the Moving Image, in Queens, New York, New York. See my brief review of it in my blog at http://beamjockey.livejournal.com/45027.html. Hanging from the ceiling are models from the 1984 film *2010*; one is part of a world, the other is a spacecraft. They are labeled as being models of the Moon and of *Discovery* (a spacecraft you'll also recall from *2001: A Space Odyssey*). I decided the exhibit was mislabeled. The world is obviously Io, big orange moon of Jupiter-- much of the action of *2010* takes place in orbit around Io. Since the spacecraft did not resemble *Discovery* much, I leapt to the conclusion that it was the *Leonov*, with which I was less familiar. I labeled it that way in my Flickr caption of the photo I took. Yesterday I heard from Miriam Posner, AMMI's Collections and Research Manager. She had spotted my photo online and was concerned about correcting the exhibit label. She pointed out that the model doesn't really look like the *Leonov* either. So I am wrong about that. She offers two more images of the exhibit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584128/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584132/ So if it isn't *Discovery* and it isn't *Leonov*, what is it? My best guess at present is this: The model is a section of the long "spine" of *Discovery* built for a close-up, or a small portion of a much larger model. The flat boxes are the repeated "fuel modules" arranged in a triangle around the central spine. If so, the similarities ought to be apparent in stills from the original movie, *2001*. (Models from that production were destroyed, so the folks who made *2010* had to build duplicate models and sets based on photos.) See http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3508.jpg for a decent shot of this arrangement. This view does not show as much detail, but gives a different angle: http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3506.jpg This view shows the whole ship from the side, and the repeated symmetry of the fuel modules is apparent: http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3506.jpg Stills from *2010* are not as common on the Web, but here is one: http://www.physics.hku.hk/~tboyce/sf/assignments/2010/2010_large_07.jpg Can you confirm or refute my hypothesis? Is the size of this section consistent with a large *Discovery* model built for *2010*, or was it made for a closeup? Can you spot a shot of this model within the film? Is there a "Making of" book, article, or documentary where this model can be seen? Does it really represent some other spacecraft that can be identified? -- Bill Higgins Fermilab |
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*2010* Model Puzzle from Museum Exhibit
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-- """Remove "zorch" from address (2 places) to reply. http://www.sirius.com/ "Bill Higgins" wrote in message l.gov... Friends, I have a puzzle for you. What spacecraft is over my head in this picture? http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/350870509/ In September, I visited a terrific place, the American Museum of the Moving Image, in Queens, New York, New York. See my brief review of it in my blog at http://beamjockey.livejournal.com/45027.html. Hanging from the ceiling are models from the 1984 film *2010*; one is part of a world, the other is a spacecraft. They are labeled as being models of the Moon and of *Discovery* (a spacecraft you'll also recall from *2001: A Space Odyssey*). I decided the exhibit was mislabeled. The world is obviously Io, big orange moon of Jupiter-- much of the action of *2010* takes place in orbit around Io. Since the spacecraft did not resemble *Discovery* much, I leapt to the conclusion that it was the *Leonov*, with which I was less familiar. I labeled it that way in my Flickr caption of the photo I took. Yesterday I heard from Miriam Posner, AMMI's Collections and Research Manager. She had spotted my photo online and was concerned about correcting the exhibit label. She pointed out that the model doesn't really look like the *Leonov* either. So I am wrong about that. She offers two more images of the exhibit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584128/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584132/ So if it isn't *Discovery* and it isn't *Leonov*, what is it? My best guess at present is this: The model is a section of the long "spine" of *Discovery* built for a close-up, or a small portion of a much larger model. The flat boxes are the repeated "fuel modules" arranged in a triangle around the central spine. If so, the similarities ought to be apparent in stills from the original movie, *2001*. (Models from that production were destroyed, so the folks who made *2010* had to build duplicate models and sets based on photos.) See http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3508.jpg for a decent shot of this arrangement. This view does not show as much detail, but gives a different angle: http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3506.jpg This view shows the whole ship from the side, and the repeated symmetry of the fuel modules is apparent: http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3506.jpg Stills from *2010* are not as common on the Web, but here is one: http://www.physics.hku.hk/~tboyce/sf/assignments/2010/2010_large_07.jpg Can you confirm or refute my hypothesis? Is the size of this section consistent with a large *Discovery* model built for *2010*, or was it made for a closeup? Can you spot a shot of this model within the film? Is there a "Making of" book, article, or documentary where this model can be seen? Does it really represent some other spacecraft that can be identified? -- Bill Higgins Fermilab |
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*2010* Model Puzzle from Museum Exhibit
"Fred Shecter" ) writes:
http://images.google.com/images?sour...&q=leonov+2010 Looking at all the photos, I would say that the spacecraft section hanging in that exhibit is a close up piece of USS Discovery's spine that likely was used for a shot in 2010 where the docking clamp of the Leonov grabs onto the central spine of the Discovery. This was to allow Discovery's engines to be used as a first stage in order to send Leonov away from Jupiter space before Leonov's nominal launch window was available. The moon model is Io. "Bill Higgins" wrote in message l.gov... Friends, I have a puzzle for you. What spacecraft is over my head in this picture? http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/350870509/ In September, I visited a terrific place, the American Museum of the Moving Image, in Queens, New York, New York. See my brief review of it in my blog at http://beamjockey.livejournal.com/45027.html. Hanging from the ceiling are models from the 1984 film *2010*; one is part of a world, the other is a spacecraft. They are labeled as being models of the Moon and of *Discovery* (a spacecraft you'll also recall from *2001: A Space Odyssey*). I decided the exhibit was mislabeled. The world is obviously Io, big orange moon of Jupiter-- much of the action of *2010* takes place in orbit around Io. Since the spacecraft did not resemble *Discovery* much, I leapt to the conclusion that it was the *Leonov*, with which I was less familiar. I labeled it that way in my Flickr caption of the photo I took. Yesterday I heard from Miriam Posner, AMMI's Collections and Research Manager. She had spotted my photo online and was concerned about correcting the exhibit label. She pointed out that the model doesn't really look like the *Leonov* either. So I am wrong about that. She offers two more images of the exhibit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584128/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584132/ So if it isn't *Discovery* and it isn't *Leonov*, what is it? My best guess at present is this: The model is a section of the long "spine" of *Discovery* built for a close-up, or a small portion of a much larger model. The flat boxes are the repeated "fuel modules" arranged in a triangle around the central spine. If so, the similarities ought to be apparent in stills from the original movie, *2001*. (Models from that production were destroyed, so the folks who made *2010* had to build duplicate models and sets based on photos.) See http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3508.jpg for a decent shot of this arrangement. This view does not show as much detail, but gives a different angle: http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3506.jpg This view shows the whole ship from the side, and the repeated symmetry of the fuel modules is apparent: http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3506.jpg Stills from *2010* are not as common on the Web, but here is one: http://www.physics.hku.hk/~tboyce/sf/assignments/2010/2010_large_07.jpg Can you confirm or refute my hypothesis? Is the size of this section consistent with a large *Discovery* model built for *2010*, or was it made for a closeup? Can you spot a shot of this model within the film? Is there a "Making of" book, article, or documentary where this model can be seen? Does it really represent some other spacecraft that can be identified? Andre |
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*2010* Model Puzzle from Museum Exhibit
On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:37:19 GMT, Bill Higgins
wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584128/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584132/ So if it isn't *Discovery* and it isn't *Leonov*, what is it? My best guess at present is this: The model is a section of the long "spine" of *Discovery* built for a close-up, or a small portion of a much larger model. The flat boxes are the repeated "fuel modules" arranged in a triangle around the central spine. ....That's exactly what it is. It's the segment built for the Leonov's docking clamp sequence, so that the camera could get in the right angle without having the command sphere blocking the way. And since the segment from "2001" was destroyed because Kubrick was having a moron moment, that has to be from "2010". Especially if the coloring is yellow. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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*2010* Model Puzzle from Museum Exhibit
On Wed, 2 May 2007, Andre Lieven wrote:
"Fred Shecter" ) writes: http://images.google.com/images?sour...&q=leonov+2010 Looking at all the photos, I would say that the spacecraft section hanging in that exhibit is a close up piece of USS Discovery's spine that likely was used for a shot in 2010 where the docking clamp of the Leonov grabs onto the central spine of the Discovery. This was to allow Discovery's engines to be used as a first stage in order to send Leonov away from Jupiter space before Leonov's nominal launch window was available. The moon model is Io. Aha. I thought it might have turned up in the "revolving *Discovery*" scene where the cosmonauts are initially boarding. I looked at that part of the DVD, but didn't spot the model. I'll look over the spine-grabbing scene (much later in the story) to confirm your notion. Sounds promising. I have come across a vanished, but fortunately archived, site with better snapshots of the model. It was displayed at COSI, the Center of Science and Industry, in Columbus, Ohio before it arrived at the American Museum of the Moving Image in New York. http://web.archive.org/web/20020708001040/neolase.lasers.org/Modeling/2010/2010Model.shtml http://web.archive.org/web/20040518142938/neolase.lasers.org/Modeling/2010/2010_0167.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/20040518140843/neolase.lasers.org/Modeling/2010/2010_0166.jpg You can see more detail, and the yellowish color, which makes the spine theory more convincing to me. -- "Read my lips, Hal: Bill Higgins Open the Pod Bay doors!" Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Internet: |
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*2010* Model Puzzle from Museum Exhibit
On May 2, 9:37 pm, Bill Higgins wrote:
Friends, I have a puzzle for you. snip Does it really represent some other spacecraft that can be identified? Nope. Discovery, definitely Discovery, definitely :-) |
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*2010* Model Puzzle from Museum Exhibit
Bill Higgins ) writes:
On Wed, 2 May 2007, Andre Lieven wrote: "Fred Shecter" ) writes: http://images.google.com/images?sour...&q=leonov+2010 Looking at all the photos, I would say that the spacecraft section hanging in that exhibit is a close up piece of USS Discovery's spine that likely was used for a shot in 2010 where the docking clamp of the Leonov grabs onto the central spine of the Discovery. This was to allow Discovery's engines to be used as a first stage in order to send Leonov away from Jupiter space before Leonov's nominal launch window was available. The moon model is Io. Aha. I thought it might have turned up in the "revolving *Discovery*" scene where the cosmonauts are initially boarding. I looked at that part of the DVD, but didn't spot the model. IIRC, at that part of the film, we first see Discovery at some distance, then we get closer ups until we're pretty much focused on the command ball structure at the forward end of the ship. So, likely not any real spine close ups there. I'll look over the spine-grabbing scene (much later in the story) to confirm your notion. Sounds promising. Indeed. Another poster over here on space.history also suggested that portion of the film. I have come across a vanished, but fortunately archived, site with better snapshots of the model. It was displayed at COSI, the Center of Science and Industry, in Columbus, Ohio before it arrived at the American Museum of the Moving Image in New York. http://web.archive.org/web/20020708001040/neolase.lasers.org/Modeling/2010/2010Model.shtml http://web.archive.org/web/20040518142938/neolase.lasers.org/Modeling/2010/2010_0167.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/20040518140843/neolase.lasers.org/Modeling/2010/2010_0166.jpg You can see more detail, and the yellowish color, which makes the spine theory more convincing to me. Yep. :-) Andre |
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*2010* Model Puzzle from Museum Exhibit
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Andre Lieven wrote:
Bill Higgins ) writes: I'll look over the spine-grabbing scene (much later in the story) to confirm your notion. Sounds promising. Indeed. Another poster over here on space.history also suggested that portion of the film. Confirmed. Full account at http://beamjockey.livejournal.com/62904.html. The spine-clamping scene comes at one hour, 29 minutes into my copy of the DVD. The museum's model is indeed a piece of *Discovery's* spine. Interestingly, it can also be seen in the documentary featurette, hanging behind Arthur C. Clarke as, Hari-Seldon-like, he addresses the viewer. Once again, I recommend the American Museum of the Moving Image in New York. Not only is it fascinating to anyone with an interest in movies and television and how they're made, it presents its collection outstandingly well, and is a good example for other museums. (The Museum of the Moving Image in London is very good as well-- but I stray off-topic.) -- She was only a | Bill Higgins rocket scientist's daughter, | Fermilab but she left the boys | Internet: exhausted behind her. | |
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