Read, Why We Must Flee Planet: The Geometry Is All Wrong

I strongly suggest you read this article:

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/0..._thursday.html

GLB

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:28:24 -0400, "G. L. Bradford"
wrote, in part:

I strongly suggest you read this article:

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/0..._thursday.html

That's a thought. O'Neill colonies will make the most efficient use of
the Solar System.

Still, though, I think we'll confine ourselves to using the asteroids
and such. Breaking up Earth, or even truly useless Venus, doesn't seem
like a rational thing to do - unless, of course, population growth is
uncontrollable.

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G. L. Bradford wrote:

I strongly suggest you read this article:

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/0..._thursday.html

GLB



A good article!

Has anyone seen the Gundam cartoons? I'm told Gundam uses the ideas of
Gerard O'Neill a lot.

Perhaps this is a corner of science fiction where planetary chauvinism
doesn't prevail.

Hop

"John Savard" wrote in message
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Still, though, I think we'll confine ourselves to using the asteroids
and such. Breaking up Earth, or even truly useless Venus, doesn't seem
like a rational thing to do - unless, of course, population growth is
uncontrollable.

I remember an SF short story where they had to dismantle the Earth to build
a sphere around Jupiter just to contain the waste heat as they converted and
disassembled it. There were some stubborn squatters who were understandably
upset.

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"Hop David" wrote in message
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Has anyone seen the Gundam cartoons? I'm told Gundam uses the ideas of
Gerard O'Neill a lot.

I've tried it a couple of times. Orbital habitats are part of the universe,
but one hardly ever sees them. Most of the emphasis is on giant fighting
robots and politics (and the politics is hopelessly labyrinthine for anyone
not willing to make a concerted effort to diligently keep up).

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Mike Combs
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"John Savard" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:28:24 -0400, "G. L. Bradford"
wrote, in part:

I strongly suggest you read this article:

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/0..._thursday.html

That's a thought. O'Neill colonies will make the most efficient use of
the Solar System.

Still, though, I think we'll confine ourselves to using the asteroids
and such. Breaking up Earth, or even truly useless Venus, doesn't seem
like a rational thing to do - unless, of course, population growth is
uncontrollable.

John Savard

Just as with shrinking the distance-times on Earth, we will shrink the
distance-times of the solar system long before space colonization has hardly
even accessed for use a billionth part of the potential space and time, mass
and energy resource of the solar system. That shrinkage, that kind of
increased numbers, increased infrastructure, complexity, energies, powers,
usage, (a naturally growing ALIENATION), automatically leads to putting at
least a toehold in the door of the next vastness up to be shrunk: The next
space frontier out and beyond our solar system, wherever, whatever it may
be. Seth Shostak was dead wrong on that particular point. Alpha Centauri,
they might discover, might not even be in that next space frontier up.
Remember that Christopher Columbus was not shooting for the Americas when he
left on his voyage into the unknown of discovery. At least not that any
scientist of the era knew or could think of (all of them opposing the voyage
on grounds of a vastness of ocean too great). His stated goal was the East
Indies or Cathay, or even the Japans (sic)) -- whichever showed up first.
There may be a whole other universe of frontier, or frontiers, lying between
us and Alpha Centauri. Horizons of frontier even those future spacefaring
men and women cannot possibly see into until they are well, well along on
their way out and into them. Horizons of frontier that do not permit of
skipping steps (brute numbers, infrastructure, complexity, energies, powers,
a naturally growing ALIENATION (all told, the necessary increased
dimensionality being in hand -- painstakingly built up to; massively
expanded to -- as a pre-requisite 'physics' readiness for that next
frontier)).

GLB

Mike Combs wrote:
I've tried it a couple of times. Orbital habitats are part of the universe,
but one hardly ever sees them. Most of the emphasis is on giant fighting
robots and politics (and the politics is hopelessly labyrinthine for anyone
not willing to make a concerted effort to diligently keep up).

So basically you're saying it's pretty realistic then

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"Mike Combs" wrote in
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"Hop David" wrote in message
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Has anyone seen the Gundam cartoons? I'm told Gundam uses the ideas
of Gerard O'Neill a lot.

I've tried it a couple of times. Orbital habitats are part of the
universe, but one hardly ever sees them. Most of the emphasis is on
giant fighting robots and politics (and the politics is hopelessly
labyrinthine for anyone not willing to make a concerted effort to
diligently keep up).

Which Gundam series did you watch? The older series tended to spend much
more screen time in the colonies than the series in the 90s.


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"Russell Wallace" wrote in message
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Mike Combs wrote:
I've tried it a couple of times. Orbital habitats are part of the
universe, but one hardly ever sees them. Most of the emphasis is on
giant fighting robots and politics (and the politics is hopelessly
labyrinthine for anyone not willing to make a concerted effort to
diligently keep up).

So basically you're saying it's pretty realistic then

Oh, I woudn't say that. You see a girl saying lines like, "I'm the minister
plenipotentiary for the Romafeller administration," but then expect her to
brightly add, "and next week I turn 19!".

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"Jorge R. Frank" wrote in message
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Which Gundam series did you watch? The older series tended to spend much
more screen time in the colonies than the series in the 90s.

That could easily have been my problem. Do you have title recommendations
for someone who's interested in depictions of life inside an orbital
habitat?

Seems like I heard something about theatrical releases with 3-D CGI for the
habitats. (Makes sense; a large, slowly-rotating object means lots of
animation cells.) Know any titles?

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Mike Combs
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I bid you stand, Men of the West!
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