Why the lack of usenet interest in anything JAXA SELENE?

On Oct 11, 5:03 am, (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On 11 Oct 2007 10:39:22 GMT, in a place far, far away, John Griffin
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Calm yourself, Brad. I don't have, have never had, and will
never have a killfile.

Too bad. Guess we'll have to killfile you as well, because we
don't want to see the continual core dump of Brad's insanity.

I'm willing to show you how to skip articles that don't interest
you. Just ask.

I know how to do it. I killfile the people who continually post them.
It's quite effective, particularly when the only posts that I see from
them are replies to Brad Guth.

Isn't that a Yiddish/semitic kind of thing you folks and of others
that brown-nosed their way through life, at the collateral damage and
demise of the innocent, essentially do is killfile all the time?

Would you killfile the Pope?

Is that killfile process of yours the same as sharing your usenet
spermware/****ware into my poor old PC?
- Brad Guth -

On Oct 10, 5:14 pm, BradGuth wrote:
Would not cutting the amount of time per given trek of getting from
Earth to our moon in half require 4 times the applied energy?

No. Most of the trip is coasting.

Anyway, it didn't take 3 weeks for Selene to transit to the
moon. The schedule shows it leaving Earth orbit on Sep. 29,
and inserting into lunar orbit on Oct. 4.

http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071001_kaguya_e.html
(Notice events 10 and 11 on the figure at the bottom).

- Randy

BradGuth wrote:



In other silly "John Griffin" words of entirely avoiding the
question or intent of this topic, you're not about to spill
any of those beans, or at least not about to help rock any of
your hocus-pocus NASA/Apollo ruse of your perpetrated cold-war
century.

I believe that we understand, fully. No wonder that Yids and
fellow rusemasters of a kind so flock together, no matters
what the consequences.
- Brad Guth -

It's amazing that you can stay full of **** while spewing so much
of it day after day.

On Oct 11, 10:27 am, John Griffin wrote:
BradGuth wrote:

In other silly "John Griffin" words of entirely avoiding the
question or intent of this topic, you're not about to spill
any of those beans, or at least not about to help rock any of
your hocus-pocus NASA/Apollo ruse of your perpetrated cold-war
century.

I believe that we understand, fully. No wonder that Yids and
fellow rusemasters of a kind so flock together, no matters
what the consequences.
- Brad Guth -

It's amazing that you can stay full of **** while spewing so much
of it day after day.

In other words, anything on behalf of JAXA or Selene is your kind of
**** that has absolutely no scientific or physics point or worth of
kind. As I'd said, we understand your problem of not wanting to share
and share alike, especially if there's any bean spilling that might
take place.

Do you think JAXA,s Selene CCD images are going to be as DR limited?

Just like Messenger's **** poor image of Earth, the New Horizon CCD
image of Jupiter and Io had been extremely DR limited, as to offering
not much better DR than my cell-phone camera could provide (certainly
far worse off than film). Why would they only utilize 0.1% or less of
their CCD Dynamic Range?
- Brad Guth -

JAXA's Selene is still officially taboo/nondisclosure rated.
- Brad Guth -

Selene (our moon or once upon a time binary planet of Venus) isn't but
a worthy anticathode worth of a physically dark pitstop of cosmic
minerals, including various salts, yellowcake and He3 to burn (sort of
speak), whereas Venus is very much an active planetology that's
relatively newish and representing loads of renewable energy as is.
Only a damn fool of a bigot that's less smart than a hot rock couldn't
make a go of it while on Venus, that is unless those pesky laws of
physics work differently while off-world. I'm certain that JAXA's
Selene mission is pretty much stuck with those regular old laws of
physics, like what got their mission into orbiting our moon had taken
such a tremendous amount of applied fly-by-rocket energy.

Painius:
How can *anyone* seriously contemplate that
L I F E on Earth is the only L I F E in this vast
Cosmos?--or that humans are the pinnacle of it?

I agree, as for only a true intellectual bigot or that of a Zion
pretend atheist could ever consider Earth as being their one any only
viable planet for accommodating intelligent other life (that is as
long as it's semitic).

Earth's planetology isn't even all that extra special, other than
being essentially 98.5% fluid to those pesky forces of gravity/tidal
interactions, especially as having to deal with such a horrific mascon
that's orbiting so close by and going fast enough to be causing the
vast majority of global warming since its arrival, as well as having
been traumatising mother Earth ever since the last ice age this planet
will ever see.

Just the Milky Way is likely home to thousands if not millions of
other highly intelligent forms of life that has never seen nor much
less set their ET foot or whatever weird DNA on Earth. In addition,
thare are likely more than a few cosmic billion worth of rogue stars
and their collections of viable planets, as well as a few interstellar
rogue mother planets of multiple Jupiter class or as brown dwarfs
having substantial orbiting items the size of Earth for intelligent
other life to play along with. At least that's not only what a few
other research wizards are starting to report, but as well as having
been the case of what our spendy supercomputers have been telling us
for the past several decades, as based entirely upon those regular
laws of physics and orbital dynamics.

Supercomputer simulators can do almost anything in real 3D time, or in
advanced forward/backward time. Go figure as to why those public
owned, housed and staffed supercomputers are being kept so taboo/
nondisclosure rated. Of course, the GOOGLE/NOVA supercomputer is at
least ten fold better than anything we own publicly. (go figure as to
why GOOGLE/NOVA are not sharing)
- Brad Guth -

On Oct 5, 3:20 pm, BradGuth wrote:
Japan lunar probe reaches orbithttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/ba6...

JAXA SELENE/SELINE via H-2A/H-IIAhttp://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/index_e.htmlhttp://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
For some silly odd reason there's been nothing of any good (meaning
informative or otherwise deductive) usenet chat about this JAXA moon
mission. It's as though being all super hush-hush or taboo/
nondisclosure rated. Wonder why? (and why the intentional
disinformation spelling of the mission name "SELINE"?)

"The KAGUYA mission targets are the global characterization of lunar
surface and detailed gravimetry."
Sounds perfectly nifty and worth every bit of whatever that mission of
remote obtained science can contribute about our physically dark,
somewhat salty and otherwise unavoidably naked/anticathode worthy
mascon of gamma and X-ray saturated environment, especially as for
eventually offering detailed review per each of our NASA/Apollo hard
landings or impact sites.

Perhaps this time those new and greatly improved CCD obtained images
will honestly utilize their full dynamic range, and thus unavoidably
provide a few good FOVs that'll include the rather nifty vibrance and
unusual natural raw colour spectrum of Venus above the moon's
physically dark horizon, possibly even eventually sharing a few shots
that'll include Earth and Venus within the very same Field Of View
that'll still include something of the moon's natural deep colours and
contrast of those rather unusual mineral deposits.

BTW, only taking 3 weeks instead of 3 days to get SELENE into its
outer-most lunar orbit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-IIA
H2A2022 / 285,000 kg (2 stage + SRBs) / total payload mass was 3020 kghttp://www.jaxa.jp/pr/brochure/pdf/01/rocket01.pdfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
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Main Orbiter
Mass: 2914 kg
Size: 2.1 x 2.1 x 4.8 m
Attitude control: Three-axis stabilized
Power: 3.5 kW (Max.)
Mission period: 1 year
Mission Orbit: Circular orbit,
Altitude 100 km
Inclination 90 degree

The total payload mass was reported as 3020 kg + 1400 kg faring

107.1:1 ratio of rocket/payload (323.42/3.02 tonnes)
H2A2022 323.42 tonnes w/fairing and payload, requires those extra 2
SRBs + 2 Solid strap-on Boosters (SSBs)

With an inert mass of merely 42.62 tonnes, or 13.18% (as opposed to
our NASA/Apollo fiasco of having to start off hauling nearly a 30%
worth of inert mass) is what seems more than a bit odd.

As for the SELENE mission delivery only taking an energy efficient 3
weeks (instead of NASA/Apollo's swift 3 days with fuel and payload to
spare) in order to get JAXA's mission into lunar orbit, as such seems
to be entirely believable as based upon those regular laws of fly-by-
rocket physics.

Is there a little something of our NASA/Apollo hocus-pocus conditional
fly-by-rocket physics, that which we do not yet honestly know about?
(apparently so)
- Brad Guth -

KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV/CCD imaging getting its first full solar dosage
or saturation of those pesky raw secondary photons.
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071021_kaguya_e.pdf
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/en/
Notice as to all of the unavoidable UV secondary/recoil worth of
bluish and/or violet saturation that KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV is having to
deal with, even though currently using not more than 1% worth of their
dynamic range(DR). Far better images are soon enough going to be
accomplished, especially with those other onboard CCD instruments.

Once their PhotoShop of image colour adjustments are made, the true
depth of contrast and spectrum of natural moon colours will emerge (of
far more than the naked human eye can detect).

Once again, it's too bad that we don't even have anything established
within the moon's L1, much less accomplishing those 1 meter/pixel
images that eventually KAGUYA/(SELENE) will accomplish towards the end
of its mission.
- Brad Guth -

On Oct 17, 9:47 am, BradGuth wrote:
JAXA's Selene is still officially taboo/nondisclosure rated.
- Brad Guth -

For such a major scientific development, I was really surprised that
this had not recieved any coverage. It was only by some really out of
the way surfing that I found mention of this. I do not understand why.

On Oct 24, 6:05 am, wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:47 am, BradGuth wrote:

JAXA's Selene is still officially taboo/nondisclosure rated.
- Brad Guth -

For such a major scientific development, I was really surprised that
this had not recieved any coverage. It was only by some really out of
the way surfing that I found mention of this. I do not understand why.

It's obviously because of the ongoing NASA/Apollo cold-war ruse/sting
of the century, in that our moon hasn't been actually walked upon by
any of our folks as supposedly having all the "right stuff", and
there's much more to this kind of nondisclosure or banishment of
anything having to do with our somewhat salty old moon that's so
physically dark, naked and thus unavoidably anticathode saturated in
gamma and X-rays (especially by day when it's also double IR hot as
hell).

There will most likely be little or nothing of JAXA or China's
Chang'e-1 orbital moon explorations as offered by other than a few of
us brave souls willing to take on the mainstream status quo flak. It
seems that our Third Reich Yids tend to get the most upset whenever
there anything but NASA infomercials about our moon to deal with.
- Brad Guth -

On Oct 5, 3:20 pm, BradGuth wrote:
Japan lunar probe reaches orbithttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/ba6...

JAXA SELENE/SELINE via H-2A/H-IIAhttp://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/index_e.htmlhttp://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
For some silly odd reason there's been nothing of any good (meaning
informative or otherwise deductive) usenet chat about this JAXA moon
mission. It's as though being all super hush-hush or taboo/
nondisclosure rated. Wonder why? (and why the intentional
disinformation spelling of the mission name "SELINE"?)

"The KAGUYA mission targets are the global characterization of lunar
surface and detailed gravimetry."
Sounds perfectly nifty and worth every bit of whatever that mission of
remote obtained science can contribute about our physically dark,
somewhat salty and otherwise unavoidably naked/anticathode worthy
mascon of gamma and X-ray saturated environment, especially as for
eventually offering detailed review per each of our NASA/Apollo hard
landings or impact sites.

Perhaps this time those new and greatly improved CCD obtained images
will honestly utilize their full dynamic range, and thus unavoidably
provide a few good FOVs that'll include the rather nifty vibrance and
unusual natural raw colour spectrum of Venus above the moon's
physically dark horizon, possibly even eventually sharing a few shots
that'll include Earth and Venus within the very same Field Of View
that'll still include something of the moon's natural deep colours and
contrast of those rather unusual mineral deposits.

BTW, only taking 3 weeks instead of 3 days to get SELENE into its
outer-most lunar orbit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-IIA
H2A2022 / 285,000 kg (2 stage + SRBs) / total payload mass was 3020 kghttp://www.jaxa.jp/pr/brochure/pdf/01/rocket01.pdfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
-
Main Orbiter
Mass: 2914 kg
Size: 2.1 x 2.1 x 4.8 m
Attitude control: Three-axis stabilized
Power: 3.5 kW (Max.)
Mission period: 1 year
Mission Orbit: Circular orbit,
Altitude 100 km
Inclination 90 degree

The total payload mass was reported as 3020 kg + 1400 kg faring

107.1:1 ratio of rocket/payload (323.42/3.02 tonnes)
H2A2022 323.42 tonnes w/fairing and payload, requires those extra 2
SRBs + 2 Solid strap-on Boosters (SSBs)

With an inert mass of merely 42.62 tonnes, or 13.18% (as opposed to
our NASA/Apollo fiasco of having to start off hauling nearly a 30%
worth of inert mass) is what seems more than a bit odd.

As for the SELENE mission delivery only taking an energy efficient 3
weeks (instead of NASA/Apollo's swift 3 days with fuel and payload to
spare) in order to get JAXA's mission into lunar orbit, as such seems
to be entirely believable as based upon those regular laws of fly-by-
rocket physics.

Is there a little something of our NASA/Apollo hocus-pocus conditional
fly-by-rocket physics, that which we do not yet honestly know about?
(apparently so)
- Brad Guth -

China's (CNSA) moon mission: Chang'e-1 should be interesting, that is
if they can manage to keep their stuff from running into JAXA's KAGUYA/
(SELENE) mission of three orbiting items. As reported, China's probe
will be at roughly 200 km, thus keeping a safe 100 km distance away
from the KAGUYA/(SELENE) mission, at least that's plan-A.

KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV/CCD imaging getting its first full solar dosage
or saturation of those pesky raw secondary photons.
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071021_kaguya_e.pdf
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/en/
Notice as to all of the unavoidable UV secondary/recoil worth of
bluish and/or extra violet saturation that KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV is
having to deal with, even though having incorproated a sufficient UV
spectrum cut-off filter and currently using not more than 1% worth of
their HDTV dynamic range(DR). Far better images are soon enough going
to be accomplished, especially with those other onboard CCD
instruments.

Once their PhotoShop of image colour adjustments are made, the true
depth of contrast and spectrum of those natural mineral rich moon
colours will emerge (of far more extensive scope than the naked human
eye can detect).

Once again, it's too bad that we still don't even have anything
established within the moon's L1, much less accomplishing those 1
meter/pixel images that eventually KAGUYA/(SELENE) will likely manage
to accomplish towards the end of its one year mission.
- Brad Guth -