TRUTH IN THE CIA ZOMBIE WORLD

What is a Zombie world? It is a world in which experimental evidence
counts for nothing and where everyone is programmed to always say
"Jawohl" OR "Da moi lidera".

DA MOI LIDERA

http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/elephant.htm Acquired characteristics
according to Kipling. Was the child a cow or a bull? Kipling does not
say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko Lysenko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

It isn't just me that links Lysenko to Deutsche Physik. Wikipaedia
does just the same thing.

JAWOHL MEIN FÜHRER

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/uf...foaleman_6.htm
http://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs

If Zundel’s own account is to be believed – and I think it probably is – then his fictions about Nazi UFOs have funded the
distribution of Holocaust revisionist material around a substantial
part of the world. So, at the end of the day, there’s more
at stake here than just tall tales and technological fantasies; there
would appear to be a good ethical argument to stop
repeating such fictions and to put the ‘Nazi UFO’ myths to rest once
and for all.

I think there is indeed more at stake, more at stake than just
Relativity. There are also Nazi sympathisers in the various
intelligence services.

http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump...Andromeda.html

This is real "Betrug". The touch of authenticity is given to what is
in essence FRAUD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

Vril was supposed to have been the Atlantean language. It consisted of
a series of clicks.

CIA

They were taken in by all this crap, hook, line and sinker. They
created their own version of the Zombie world. McCarthy even devised a
zombie test.

Truth in the zombie world is simply what is politically correct.


- Ian Parker

Our Zionist/Nazi DARPA is still n charge of most everything that
matters. Truth has become at best secondary.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth


Ian Parker wrote:
What is a Zombie world? It is a world in which experimental evidence
counts for nothing and where everyone is programmed to always say
"Jawohl" OR "Da moi lidera".

DA MOI LIDERA

http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/elephant.htm Acquired characteristics
according to Kipling. Was the child a cow or a bull? Kipling does not
say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko Lysenko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

It isn't just me that links Lysenko to Deutsche Physik. Wikipaedia
does just the same thing.

JAWOHL MEIN F�HRER

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/uf...foaleman_6.htm
http://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs

If Zundel�s own account is to be believed � and I think it probably is � then his fictions about Nazi UFOs have funded the
distribution of Holocaust revisionist material around a substantial
part of the world. So, at the end of the day, there�s more
at stake here than just tall tales and technological fantasies; there
would appear to be a good ethical argument to stop
repeating such fictions and to put the �Nazi UFO� myths to rest once
and for all.

I think there is indeed more at stake, more at stake than just
Relativity. There are also Nazi sympathisers in the various
intelligence services.

http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump...Andromeda.html

This is real "Betrug". The touch of authenticity is given to what is
in essence FRAUD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

Vril was supposed to have been the Atlantean language. It consisted of
a series of clicks.

CIA

They were taken in by all this crap, hook, line and sinker. They
created their own version of the Zombie world. McCarthy even devised a
zombie test.

Truth in the zombie world is simply what is politically correct.


- Ian Parker

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.

On Aug 16, 5:07 pm, wrote:
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.

Without the cold hard truth there is no valid history or progress.
(aka Hitler and GW Bush seem to more than prove this out)

Mainstream lies, distortions and evidence exclusions about physics and
of the mostly public funded science only begets more of the same. You
seem to be at ease with all of it, just the way it is.

”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell

meaning those in control of whatever gets officially recorded as
history or whatever as having been discovered or created are also
establishing and/or reinforcing upon their mainstream holy grail as to
who gets future credit and/or blame, and thus more importantly of who
gets first crack at whatever future credits and that of receiving our
public support, instead of the gauntlet of continual denial, avoidance
and systematic banishment. The very root of this kind of orchestrated
naysay imposed action against outsiders is clearly faith-based and
otherwise cloaked as to suggest that no one public agency, private
group or inside connected individual(s) are ever in charge of anything
that gets overlooked or goes terribly wrong.

If the mainstream status quo on behalf of their public image damage-
control didn’t have fingers, they’d have to point with something else
each time things look bad or turn out poorly. (perhaps its their brown
nose that'll have to due)

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.

This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.

If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.

What you say in untrue in the sense that:-

1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.

2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
services is a real threat to everyone.

No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
is at least a democratic choice.

To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
officials.

BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.

If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
think they care about "reality".


- Ian Parker

On Aug 17, 6:22 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.

This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.

If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.

What you say in untrue in the sense that:-

1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.

2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
services is a real threat to everyone.

No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
is at least a democratic choice.

To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
officials.

BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.

If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
think they care about "reality".

- Ian Parker

Ian,
I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
have evidence?

The CIA is subject to oversight. Also, I always felt that one reason
that the NSA hired boy scouts was to keep an eye on CIA. ;-)

The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. I once had a co-
worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
supported Pakistan. My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
the US had no influence?" Who is Pakistan going to turn to? Russia
or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
out.

Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
with physics?

--Mike Jr

On Aug 17, 7:48 pm, "Mike Jr." wrote:
On Aug 17, 6:22 am, Ian Parker wrote:



On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.

This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.

If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.

What you say in untrue in the sense that:-

1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.

2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
services is a real threat to everyone.

No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
is at least a democratic choice.

To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
officials.

BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.

If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
think they care about "reality".

- Ian Parker

Ian,
I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
have evidence?

The CIA is subject to oversight. Also, I always felt that one reason
that the NSA hired boy scouts was to keep an eye on CIA. ;-)

The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. I once had a co-
worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
supported Pakistan. My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
the US had no influence?" Who is Pakistan going to turn to? Russia
or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
out.

Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
with physics?

--Mike Jr

MI5/CIA (aka DARPA) does whatever makes them happy campers. There is
no official public oversight of our intellectual and scientific cartel/
cable.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

On 18 Aug, 03:48, "Mike Jr." wrote:
On Aug 17, 6:22 am, Ian Parker wrote:





On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.

This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.

If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.

What you say in untrue in the sense that:-

1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.

2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
services is a real threat to everyone.

No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
is at least a democratic choice.

To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
officials.

BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.

If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
think they care about "reality".

* - Ian Parker

Ian,
*I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. *Are you
stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
being a fraud? *Why would they bother? *Did I miss something? *Do you
have evidence?

The CIA is subject to oversight. *Also, I always felt that one reason
that the NSA hired boy scouts was to keep an eye on CIA. ;-)

The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. *I once had a co-
worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
supported Pakistan. *My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
the US had no influence?" *Who is Pakistan going to turn to? *Russia
or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
out.

I don't know quite frankly, but OPajistan is in a mess and that mess
is the result of CIA activity. Musharraf may or may not go but he is
not the problem. The ISI may have been "spanked" - totally irrelevant.
The fact of the matter is that the Taliban has a refuge in the NW
Frontier region. This remains. If the NW Frontier were closed we would
have gone a long way towards the defeat of the Taleban.

Rereading this, one final question. *What does any of this have to do
with physics?

It started off with the anti Relativity postings. A high percentage of
which are anti Semitic. I want to get to the root of it. At the root
iI am sure is Paperclip and Vril. Nobody has yet explained to me why
all the tosh about antigravity is still highly classified. That is the
real rub. Important facts are being hidden from us. If the CIA was so
monumentally gullible as to take all the Vril nonsense at face value
and then classify it to this day we are clearly faced with a
collection of fools.


- Ian Parker

Danerous fools whose meddling has largely got us into the situation we
are in.

- Show quoted text -

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:48:04 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
"Mike Jr." made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

On Aug 17, 6:22 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.

This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.

If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.

What you say in untrue in the sense that:-

1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.

2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
services is a real threat to everyone.

No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
is at least a democratic choice.

To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
officials.

BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.

If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
think they care about "reality".

- Ian Parker

Ian,
I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
have evidence?

Once you realize that Ian is nuts, it all makes perfect sense.

On Aug 17, 3:22 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 17 Aug, 01:07, wrote:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.

To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.

To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.

This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.

If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.

What you say in untrue in the sense that:-

1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.

Daft ideas are about the only things getting funded. Especially
funded are those of inert eye-candy and thus faith-based failsafe
sorts of daft ideas.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth