NASA's New Goal, Asteroid by 2025, Mars by 2035....Huh!

On the front page of today's Miami Herald it says
the biggest reason for this new NASA long range
goal is...planet defense! It seems NASA thinks
....'the end is nigh'.

To quote NASA asteroid expert Paul Abell...

"Twenty percent of near-Earth asteroids are
considered hazardous," Abell said. "Dinosaurs were
wiped out by a big asteroid 65 million years ago.
We don't know when or where it will happen
again, and it would be nice to be prepared for
that event."

Unquote!

So let me get this right, America's premiere pure
research agency will have as it's Flagship Goal
becoming prepared for an event that happens
no less than every 65 MILLION YEARS!

Or is it longer?

HOW F'ING OUT OF TOUCH MUST ONE BE
TO PLAN FOR AN EVENT MILLIONS
OF YEARS AWAY!!!

It's just too absurd to believe!

Of course, they say in hushed tones that the
near-Earth asteroid they visit might not be
much larger than a football field. And men on Mars!
Oh yes, that's men ...around Mars only, not on.
Will the last one out the door at NASA please
turn out the lights.

Could I be the only one that thinks this goal
makes far more sense?

NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER
EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1


Space-Based Solar Power
As an Opportunity for Strategic Security
National Security Space Office
http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/li...release-01.pdf


Space Energy Inc
http://spaceenergy.com/


Jonathan


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"Jonathan" wrote in
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On the front page of today's Miami Herald it says
the biggest reason for this new NASA long range
goal is...planet defense! It seems NASA thinks
...'the end is nigh'.

To quote NASA asteroid expert Paul Abell...

"Twenty percent of near-Earth asteroids are
considered hazardous," Abell said. "Dinosaurs were
wiped out by a big asteroid 65 million years ago.
We don't know when or where it will happen
again, and it would be nice to be prepared for
that event."

Unquote!

So let me get this right, America's premiere pure
research agency will have as it's Flagship Goal
becoming prepared for an event that happens
no less than every 65 MILLION YEARS!

Or is it longer?

HOW F'ING OUT OF TOUCH MUST ONE BE
TO PLAN FOR AN EVENT MILLIONS
OF YEARS AWAY!!!

It's just too absurd to believe!

Of course, they say in hushed tones that the
near-Earth asteroid they visit might not be
much larger than a football field. And men on Mars!
Oh yes, that's men ...around Mars only, not on.
Will the last one out the door at NASA please
turn out the lights.

Could I be the only one that thinks this goal
makes far more sense?

NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER
EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1


Space-Based Solar Power
As an Opportunity for Strategic Security
National Security Space Office
http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/li...rim-assessment
-release-01.pdf


Space Energy Inc
http://spaceenergy.com/


Jonathan


They going to go running, hat in hand to the Russians or Chinese to beg
for launch craft? Ever since the science-ignorant monkeys in power
killed the Shuttle.

"Rich" wrote in message
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They going to go running, hat in hand to the Russians or Chinese to beg
for launch craft? Ever since the science-ignorant monkeys in power
killed the Shuttle.

And those money-grubbing capitalist Russians quickly upped
the price for flights to the ISS around 30%.

But the scale version of the shuttle replacement, the X-37b, was
transferred to the military black budget about five years ago.
They've had at least two flights, and rumor is there's one
in orbit right now! And Boeing just said they want to
upsize the X-37b soon.





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"Rich" wrote in message
...

They going to go running, hat in hand to the Russians or Chinese to beg
for launch craft? Ever since the science-ignorant monkeys in power
killed the Shuttle.


Hate to tell you, Bush hasn't been in power for a couple of years.

Or do you mean the current president who EXTENDED the shuttle program by 2
flights?




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On Nov 3, 5:38*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
On the front page of today's Miami Herald it says
the biggest reason for this new NASA long range
goal is...planet defense! It seems NASA thinks
...'the end is nigh'.

To quote NASA asteroid expert Paul Abell...

"Twenty percent of near-Earth asteroids are
considered hazardous," Abell said. "Dinosaurs were
wiped out by a big asteroid 65 million years ago.
We don't know when or where it will happen
again, and it would be nice to be prepared for
that event."

Unquote!

So let me get this right, America's premiere pure
research agency will have as it's Flagship Goal
becoming prepared for an event that happens
no less than every 65 MILLION YEARS!

Or is it longer?

HOW F'ING OUT OF TOUCH MUST ONE BE
TO PLAN FOR AN EVENT MILLIONS
OF YEARS AWAY!!!

It's just too absurd to believe!

Of course, they say in hushed tones that the
near-Earth asteroid they visit might not be
much larger than a football field. And men on Mars!
Oh yes, that's men ...around Mars only, not on.
Will the last one out the door at NASA please
turn out the lights.

Could I be the only one that thinks this goal
makes far more sense?

NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER
EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAMhttp://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1

Space-Based Solar Power
As an Opportunity for Strategic Security
National Security Space Officehttp://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/library/final-sbsp-interim-assessme...

Space Energy Inchttp://spaceenergy.com/

Jonathan

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Actually major thing hit more often than every 65 million years. There
is
evidence of a fairly major air burst over the great cold and largely
uninhabited
near polar southern ocean in recent years. Had this hit over an
inhabited region, Chicken Little would be one well funded bird.
And if the thing that hit Siberia back in the early 20th century hit
somewhere inhabited, it also a fair bet Chicken Little would be well
funded or the rich would be living underground.

Newt says the poor need to eat less.............................Trig

" So let me get this right, America's premiere pure
research agency will have as it's Flagship Goal
becoming prepared for an event that happens
no less than every 65 MILLION YEARS!

OK I get it. We're not satisfied being just the police force of the world.
So we can get some variety in life by being the Goalie of the world
deflecting the hockey pucks of the solar system. But don't we need a full
near realtime space surveillance system to know the puck is coming in time
to stop it. This is up there with Arsenic based life. Suppose it's extra
solar and high out of plane - how much delta V is really needed.

Jonathan wrote:
NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER
EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1



I think this is a worthy goal starting as a technology demonstrator and then
moving up to say a small constellation of 50kW-100kW SPS's for military
applications.

Space-Based Solar Power
As an Opportunity for Strategic Security
National Security Space Office
http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/li...release-01.pdf


Space Energy Inc
http://spaceenergy.com/


I know *they* say this is not a big leap. But for SPS in the GW to TW ranges
needed for large scale commercial power applications capable of suppling
baseline load to major cities in the US, I beg to differ. The cost compared to
terrestrial alternatives has to be carefully weighed.

Dave

Actually, the REAL 'Chicken Littles' are the ones running around
squawking because of ONE alarmist headline in one newspaper...(These
are usually the SAME ones who say "don't believe ANYTHING the Gov'ment/
NASA say; it's all FAKE!!!" But they take everything in the Press or
Internet chatrooms as Gospel.) The smart ones are those that have
learned not to take these things TOO seriously until further
confirmation.

That said, I wouldn't be all that surprised, given the current
political/economic climate. Five or ten years from now, things may be
quite different.

I think this is a worthy goal starting as a technology demonstrator and
then
moving up to say a small constellation of 50kW-100kW SPS's for military
applications.

I know *they* say this is not a big leap. But for SPS in the GW to TW
ranges needed for large scale commercial power applications capable of
suppling baseline load to major cities in the US, I beg to differ. The
cost compared to terrestrial alternatives has to be carefully weighed.

The problem with a leap from military to civilian use is it totally changes
the break even trade. In one case the military is operating a base in
unfriendly country - like rural Afganistan. They have to truck generator
fuel over unsecured roads which is costly to begin with but also carries the
addition cost of convoy protection and the loss of equipment and life in the
process since convoys can be attacked.

You also have to be careful when calculating true cost. Many times those
pushing the system will quote operational cost - but neglect the initial
procurement costs.

SSP was a hot topic in the late 60s and 70s. Arthur Little and Grumman did
extensive studies and even built prototype beam builders and antennas to
show Proof of concept. The environmentalists were all over the thought of
microwaving power to earth killing birds and insects etc. But with Shuttle
launches predicted at $10M per launch, 66 launches per year and a two week
turn around - SSP seemed cost effective - then the cost of oil dropped.

I have seen some analysis where remote locations could be effectively
supplied with limited power - but some charitable group buys the systems and
people purchase limited power for laptops, some TV, some street lights etc.


Val Kraut

On Nov 3, 5:38*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
On the front page of today's Miami Herald it says
the biggest reason for this new NASA long range
goal is...planet defense! It seems NASA thinks
...'the end is nigh'.

To quote NASA asteroid expert Paul Abell...

"Twenty percent of near-Earth asteroids are
considered hazardous," Abell said. "Dinosaurs were
wiped out by a big asteroid 65 million years ago.
We don't know when or where it will happen
again, and it would be nice to be prepared for
that event."

Unquote!

So let me get this right, America's premiere pure
research agency will have as it's Flagship Goal
becoming prepared for an event that happens
no less than every 65 MILLION YEARS!

Or is it longer?

HOW F'ING OUT OF TOUCH MUST ONE BE
TO PLAN FOR AN EVENT MILLIONS
OF YEARS AWAY!!!

It's just too absurd to believe!

Of course, they say in hushed tones that the
near-Earth asteroid they visit might not be
much larger than a football field. And men on Mars!
Oh yes, that's men ...around Mars only, not on.
Will the last one out the door at NASA please
turn out the lights.

Could I be the only one that thinks this goal
makes far more sense?

NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER
EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAMhttp://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1

Space-Based Solar Power
As an Opportunity for Strategic Security
National Security Space Officehttp://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/library/final-sbsp-interim-assessme...

Space Energy Inchttp://spaceenergy.com/

Jonathan

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The next gold-rush era for energy and those rare/valuable elements
could be at any moment, because commercially and even private
exploiting of our moon and from such a nearby planet like Venus
shouldn’t be nearly as insurmountable as one might think, or rather as
we’re being told what to think, because the fly-by-rocket landers
needed for our moon have supposedly existed ever since our Apollo era,
and otherwise for Venus it's certainly a very flyable environment
whereas good robotics can always be configured so as they really
shouldn’t care about temperature or rapid changes in pressure. But
naturally we’re stuck within a perpetual limbo along with the usual
gauntlet of official naysayers and oligarchs in charge of whoever we
elect or appoint, that are as per usual very upset about all this
“Guth Venus” stuff, and so much so that they keep sending in their
brown-nosed clowns along with their resident rabbi that’s limited to
“alt.astronomy”, plus there’s always as many FUD-masters as they can
muster. Of course some folks are just natural born-again Nazis that
have either been or are currently public funded, and for the most part
never want anything to change (at least not for the better),
especially if such involves private or commercial utilization of our
moon or Venus.

Just the solar energy of what’s illuminating our physically mineral
and paramagnetic dark moon is worth 26e18 kw or roughly 8.67 billion
times the energy as all of the US consumes. Therefore a rather
terribly inefficient method of getting that solar energy converted and
delivered from our physically dark moon would obviously do the trick
of providing an average of 10 kw for directly benefiting each and
every one of us 300 million. A tethered platform of hosting microwave
or laser cannons could easily be deployed from our moon so as to get
those transmissions within 6r of Earth, from which any number of
terrestrial receiving stations could be targeted with nearly unlimited
amounts of clean energy.

The moon itself creates a substantial surplus of secondary/recoil
photons and it unavoidably sheds electrons from solar and cosmic
energy, although the failsafe methods of extracting such energy is yet
to get developed. Imagine the global relief once that form of clean
and fully renewable energy resource is accomplished. So perhaps the
only perceived shortages or contrived shortages of energy is that
which is perpetrated upon us.

BTW; delivering 3e9 kw at .05/kwhr is only worth $3.6e9 per day, so
perhaps some consideration for a wholesale cost of .5 cent/kwhr would
only amount to $.36e9/day or $1.3e11 per year still isn’t half bad if
the whole project only cost us a few trillion to begin with. So
regardless of the complex energy collection, conversion and
transmitting inefficiencies, it’s still nothing but a win-win-win. Of
course you can’t comprehend any of this if your brain is only plugged
into the mainstream status-quo.

Besides cheap, clean and renewable energy, there’s also minerals and/
or extremely valuable elements from places like our moon and the
planet Venus, though again you can forget about all of that if you
have to adhere to only whatever your mainstream peers and those pesky
oligarch have to say.

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