Are we alone in our universe, are we alone in our galaxy? Most unlikely.

On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:37:18 +0100, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote:

wrote:

The chance as determined by Scientists that theres another place like
Earth (not exact, but like) is : 10x99th power . Thats how finetuned

Hmm, that doesn't sound right, as probabilities are numbers between 0 and 1.
My guess is you don't know much about mathematics.

He doesn't know much about anything.

And for some reason he inagines everything we try to explain to him
about whatever he gets wrong, is "what atheists believe".

Which is why we have to keep stressing that it is nothing to do with
atheism and vice versa.

On Apr 21, 7:54*am, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:37:18 +0100, "Mike Dworetsky"

wrote:
wrote:

The chance as determined by Scientists that theres another place like
Earth (not exact, but like) is : 10x99th power *. *Thats how finetuned

Hmm, that doesn't sound right, as probabilities are numbers between 0 and 1.
My guess is you don't know much about mathematics. *

He doesn't know much about anything.

And for some reason he inagines everything we try to explain to him
about whatever he gets wrong, is "what atheists believe".

Which is why we have to keep stressing that it is nothing to do with
atheism and vice versa.

Dave is the certified Head Dumbass in a sea of creationut dumbasses

On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:10:30 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

The chance as determined by Scientists that theres another place like
Earth (not exact, but like) is : 10x99th power

Only by creation "scientists". Real scientists have calculated that
the probability of life on at least one other planet is so close to 1
as to be 1.
--
"Steal the best taglines," shall be the whole of the Law.

On Apr 21, 10:24*pm, Ken wrote:
On Apr 21, 6:41*am, "Androcles" .
2011 wrote to Dimwitted Dave, the spamming fundy ****wit:

You pulled that idiot **** out of your arse,

Sure smells like he did...or maybe it was from his boyfriend's ass?

Please don't use homophobia to get your point across.

On Apr 21, 9:54*am, Lilith wrote:
On Apr 21, 10:24*pm, Ken wrote:

On Apr 21, 6:41*am, "Androcles" .
2011 wrote to Dimwitted Dave, the spamming fundy ****wit:

You pulled that idiot **** out of your arse,

Sure smells like he did...or maybe it was from his boyfriend's ass?

Please don't use homophobia to get your point across.

Why not?
Dave is an admitted gay boi.
Why don't you ask him?
Oh yeah
He'll just deny it

From: (Dave in Lake Villa)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.hyundai
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:39:13 -0500
Organization: WebTV Subscriber

On Apr 22, 1:00*am, Ken wrote:
On Apr 21, 9:54*am, Lilith wrote:

On Apr 21, 10:24*pm, Ken wrote:

On Apr 21, 6:41*am, "Androcles" .
2011 wrote to Dimwitted Dave, the spamming fundy ****wit:

You pulled that idiot **** out of your arse,

Sure smells like he did...or maybe it was from his boyfriend's ass?

Please don't use homophobia to get your point across.

Why not?
Dave is an admitted gay boi.
Why don't you ask him?
Oh yeah
He'll just deny it

From: (Dave in Lake Villa)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.hyundai
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:39:13 -0500
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
*.
Matt: Do you have first-hand experience with alcohol? illegal drugs?
prostitutes? homosexuality? or any other things that you consider to
be
sinful?'

REPLY: And what if it once did involve homosexuality many years ago
when i was a godless heathen Randy ?
Then what ?
It wouldnt make me a 'hypocritical Bigot' now since i dont do it.

OH YES IT DOES!

Not sure what your point is.

Would you be equally likely to make the same joke about a heterosexual
couple? i.e Sure smells like he did...or maybe it was from his
girlfriend's ass?. Or would the 'joke' not come across so well.

Ken wrote:
On Apr 21, 7:37 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote:


Don't expect an answer, rational or otherwise from Dimwitted Dave

Won't hold my breath waiting, then. Post and run type?

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:17:45 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "Carl Sagan's billions"
:

The probability that we are alone in our universe is lower than
1/200 billion. The probability that we are alone in our galaxy is
lower than 1/billion. Of course these numbers are a good
bait for a discussion.

....not to mention completely imaginary.

With 200 billion galaxies, each with over 100 billion stars, there are
roughly 20,000 billion billion stars in the visible universe.
That is 20,000 - 000,000,000 - 000,000,000 stars.

Assume each galaxy has at least one planet with intelligent life on it
(at our level or better) (this is a very very conservative estimate)
then there are 200, 000,000,000 civilizations in the visible universe.

That isn't a conservative estimate, it's an unsupported
assertion, since we have exactly zero data regarding the
possibility of life existing elsewhere.

FWIW, I personally believe that life exists almost
everywhere it's possible for it to do so, but I'm fully
aware that this is a belief, not something amenable to
statistical analysis.

snip conclusions based on an unsupported assumption
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

The Case For A Creator shows the immense improbabilities for life
on other planets - it's a micracle that life even exists on Earth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iwzz...eature=related

Chris


On Apr 21, 4:17*pm, "Carl Sagan's billions"
wrote:
The probability that we are alone in our universe is lower than
1/200 billion. The probability that we are alone in our galaxy is
lower than 1/billion. *Of course these numbers are a good
bait for a discussion.

With 200 billion galaxies, each with over 100 billion stars, there are
roughly 20,000 billion billion stars in the visible universe.
That is 20,000 - 000,000,000 - 000,000,000 stars.

Assume each galaxy has at least one planet with intelligent life on it
(at our level or better) (this is a very very conservative estimate)
then there are 200, 000,000,000 civilizations in the visible universe.

How many of these would be 1 million or 10 million or 100 million
years
ahead of us, assuming the universe is approximately 15 billion years
old and 100 million years is only 0.66% of this timespan?
100 million years is only 0.66% of the total timespan!

So it is easy to contemplate that there can be millions of those
civilizations 1% or 1 or 10 million years or more ahead of us. Of
course, out of the 200 billion civilizations 99% or more may have
become extinct. *So if we assume that 1% avoided destruction, that
still
leaves 2 billion civilizations that survived, colonized other galaxies
and/or are travelling for millions of years,

Assuming some are in galaxies over 1 billion light years away from
our Milky Way galaxy, then if they travelled e.g. in cryogenic
state for over 500 million years at the speed of light, they still
would not have reached us. This assumes that speed of light is the
upper
limit.

In a nutshell, the numbers are so large, even if you multiply a very
low probability factor times a huge number you will get a sizable
number. *And I think that that probability factor is not that
small, but much higher than one advanced planet per galaxy of
100 billion stars. That means we are not alone in our own galaxy
with its 200-500 billion stars. *If I assume one 'more-advanced'
civilization per 10 million stars, there would be 20,000 - 50,000
of such 'more-advanced' civilizations in our own galaxy.

Of course, all these numbers are wild guesses/speculation but
it is an illustration of the fact that when we talk about our galaxy
and our visible universe the numbers are 'astronomically' huge,

As the numbers are so huge, Carl Sagan's billions and billions,
I believe that most galaxies have many millions of habitable
planets with life.

If you asked me to guess how many 'more-advanced' civilizations there
are in our own Milky Way, I would say many more than 20,000.

If you asked me why 'they' have not contacted us, I would say I don't
know, maybe we are not advanced enough - yet.

On Apr 21, 1:50*pm, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote:
Ken wrote:
On Apr 21, 7:37 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote:

Don't expect an answer, rational or otherwise from Dimwitted Dave

Won't hold my breath waiting, then. *Post and run type?

Unfortunately, no. Just a Cretinist. He's been polluting alt.atheism
for months. Same bad data overandoverandover..

He knows nothing of mathematics. In fact, from reading his `body of
work' in alt.ath, he doesn't know very much about anything.

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