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Milky Way's Big Bang
Creationists do not know this but this article gives merit to their
group. 1. In Genesis account, God created light on the first day but the sun and the stars were created by God on the fourth day. What is this light or its source on the first day? Simple, the light was from a supernova. God is light and does not need to create light to be able to see things. So, God created a physical light so that physical things will be visible to the physical world or universe. 2. The supernova is the result of God using his power to allow hydrogen atoms to fuse all at once in a star or group of stars in the center of Milky Way. The hydrogen atoms fused by allowing proton to capture the electron in each atom contrary to the common belief of science. 3. As a result of the fusion of electron and proton, the electron and positron annihilated producing light and other subatomic particles such as pions, muons, neutrinos and others. Note that in those days no neutrino ever roamed in the universe. 4. Supernova may or may not produce a pulsar or neutron star. A neutron star resulted in a partial annihilation of a star thru rapid fusion or supernova. The release of neutrinos during the supernova process could be trapped in an ongoing but not yet complete fusion of electron and proton, hence a neutron results and the neutrons grouped to form a neutron star. 5. The supernova fed all the stars in this galaxy with neutrinos so that the stars and our own sun will continue to shine and not explode destroying also the planets in the system. What a genius! It took three days for neutrinos to travel to the farthest star perhaps our sun? 6. The sun also produced neutrino but through electron-proton fusion as evidenced by the light we see. Some of the neutrinos created by the sun were trapped between electron and proton to produce neutron which is needed to produce helium and other heavier atoms. The neutrinos that were not trapped were able to escape the sun and travelled through the universe. This is the reason why physicists could not account for the missing neutrinos but invented a self-transmuting particle. 7. The cycle of a star to undergo supernova depends on the total need of the universe in a normal condition i.e. the net background neutrino should remain constant. If not, a star lacking in neutrino will likely become a supernova. |
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"Giovanni" wrote in message om... Creationists do not know this but this article gives merit to their group. 1. In Genesis account, God created light on the first day but the sun and the stars were created by God on the fourth day. What is this light or its source on the first day? Simple, the light was from a supernova. God is light and does not need to create light to be able to see things. So, God created a physical light so that physical things will be visible to the physical world or universe. 2. The supernova is the result of God using his power to allow hydrogen atoms to fuse all at once in a star or group of stars in the center of Milky Way. The hydrogen atoms fused by allowing proton to capture the electron in each atom contrary to the common belief of science. 3. As a result of the fusion of electron and proton, the electron and positron annihilated producing light and other subatomic particles such as pions, muons, neutrinos and others. Note that in those days no neutrino ever roamed in the universe. 4. Supernova may or may not produce a pulsar or neutron star. A neutron star resulted in a partial annihilation of a star thru rapid fusion or supernova. The release of neutrinos during the supernova process could be trapped in an ongoing but not yet complete fusion of electron and proton, hence a neutron results and the neutrons grouped to form a neutron star. 5. The supernova fed all the stars in this galaxy with neutrinos so that the stars and our own sun will continue to shine and not explode destroying also the planets in the system. What a genius! It took three days for neutrinos to travel to the farthest star perhaps our sun? 6. The sun also produced neutrino but through electron-proton fusion as evidenced by the light we see. Some of the neutrinos created by the sun were trapped between electron and proton to produce neutron which is needed to produce helium and other heavier atoms. The neutrinos that were not trapped were able to escape the sun and travelled through the universe. This is the reason why physicists could not account for the missing neutrinos but invented a self-transmuting particle. 7. The cycle of a star to undergo supernova depends on the total need of the universe in a normal condition i.e. the net background neutrino should remain constant. If not, a star lacking in neutrino will likely become a supernova. This article is utterly devoid of a single true statement, therefore it probably is likely to be of much use to creationists. |
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Giovanni wrote:
Creationists do not know this but this article gives merit to their group. 1. In Genesis account, God created light on the first day but the sun and the stars were created by God on the fourth day. What is this light or its source on the first day? Simple, the light was from a supernova. God is light and does not need to create light to be able to see things. So, God created a physical light so that physical things will be visible to the physical world or universe. 2. The supernova is the result of God using his power to allow hydrogen atoms to fuse all at once in a star or group of stars in the center of Milky Way. The hydrogen atoms fused by allowing proton to capture the electron in each atom contrary to the common belief of science. 3. As a result of the fusion of electron and proton, the electron and positron annihilated producing light and other subatomic particles such as pions, muons, neutrinos and others. Note that in those days no neutrino ever roamed in the universe. 4. Supernova may or may not produce a pulsar or neutron star. A neutron star resulted in a partial annihilation of a star thru rapid fusion or supernova. The release of neutrinos during the supernova process could be trapped in an ongoing but not yet complete fusion of electron and proton, hence a neutron results and the neutrons grouped to form a neutron star. 5. The supernova fed all the stars in this galaxy with neutrinos so that the stars and our own sun will continue to shine and not explode destroying also the planets in the system. What a genius! It took three days for neutrinos to travel to the farthest star perhaps our sun? 6. The sun also produced neutrino but through electron-proton fusion as evidenced by the light we see. Some of the neutrinos created by the sun were trapped between electron and proton to produce neutron which is needed to produce helium and other heavier atoms. The neutrinos that were not trapped were able to escape the sun and travelled through the universe. This is the reason why physicists could not account for the missing neutrinos but invented a self-transmuting particle. 7. The cycle of a star to undergo supernova depends on the total need of the universe in a normal condition i.e. the net background neutrino should remain constant. If not, a star lacking in neutrino will likely become a supernova. By any chance, do you write Star Trek scripts for a living? =============================================== Lenny Flank "There are no loose threads in the web of life" Creation "Science" Debunked: http://www.geocities.com/lflank DebunkCreation Email list: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Giovanni wrote:
Creationists do not know this but this article gives merit to their group. (snip fun little fantasy) Any attempt to superimpose Genesis onto real-world events is doomed to failure. Chris |
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Giovanni wrote:
Creationists do not know this but this article gives merit to their group. snipped for convienience By any chance did you see that episode of andromeda to. It was a pretty neat episode. -- Welcome to California, the earth move for you too? -troy |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:24:35 +0000, Lenny Flank
wrote: Giovanni wrote: Creationists do not know this but this article gives merit to their group. 1. In Genesis account, God created light on the first day but the sun and the stars were created by God on the fourth day. What is this light or its source on the first day? Simple, the light was from a supernova. God is light and does not need to create light to be able to see things. So, God created a physical light so that physical things will be visible to the physical world or universe. 2. The supernova is the result of God using his power to allow hydrogen atoms to fuse all at once in a star or group of stars in the center of Milky Way. The hydrogen atoms fused by allowing proton to capture the electron in each atom contrary to the common belief of science. 3. As a result of the fusion of electron and proton, the electron and positron annihilated producing light and other subatomic particles such as pions, muons, neutrinos and others. Note that in those days no neutrino ever roamed in the universe. 4. Supernova may or may not produce a pulsar or neutron star. A neutron star resulted in a partial annihilation of a star thru rapid fusion or supernova. The release of neutrinos during the supernova process could be trapped in an ongoing but not yet complete fusion of electron and proton, hence a neutron results and the neutrons grouped to form a neutron star. 5. The supernova fed all the stars in this galaxy with neutrinos so that the stars and our own sun will continue to shine and not explode destroying also the planets in the system. What a genius! It took three days for neutrinos to travel to the farthest star perhaps our sun? 6. The sun also produced neutrino but through electron-proton fusion as evidenced by the light we see. Some of the neutrinos created by the sun were trapped between electron and proton to produce neutron which is needed to produce helium and other heavier atoms. The neutrinos that were not trapped were able to escape the sun and travelled through the universe. This is the reason why physicists could not account for the missing neutrinos but invented a self-transmuting particle. 7. The cycle of a star to undergo supernova depends on the total need of the universe in a normal condition i.e. the net background neutrino should remain constant. If not, a star lacking in neutrino will likely become a supernova. By any chance, do you write Star Trek scripts for a living? No, that was too weird, even for Star Trek. -- Bill Hudson |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:25:12 +0000 (UTC),
(Giovanni) wrote: Creationists do not know this but this article gives merit to their group. Golly. Not even a single true sentence in your entire article. Surely Creationists are therefore well aware of your strange claims. -- http://desertphile.org The I.C.R. Cult Exposed: http://holysmoke.org/icr-cult.htm "Scientology: the 'science' of making money." http://holysmoke.org/theta.htm |
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"C. Thompson" bravely wrote to "All" (23 Dec 03 14:51:11)
--- on the heady topic of " Milky Way's Big Bang" CT From: "C. Thompson" CT Giovanni wrote: Creationists do not know this but this article gives merit to their group. CT (snip fun little fantasy) CT Any attempt to superimpose Genesis onto real-world events is doomed to CT failure. I think that goat herders gathered around a campfire telling each other entertaining stories some 6K years ago is not a valid basis for a religion but weirder things have probably happened before and since. .... CEPHEID: (1) Another exception to 'i' before 'e' except after 'c'. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:25:12 +0000, Giovanni wrote:
Creationists do not know this but this article gives merit to their group. Unlikely ... 1. In Genesis account, God created light on the first day but the sun and the stars were created by God on the fourth day. What is this light or its source on the first day? Simple, the light was from a supernova. God is light and does not need to create light to be able to see things. So, God created a physical light so that physical things will be visible to the physical world or universe. Since at least one star undoubtedly must have existed before any supernova could have occurred, it seems logically inconsistent to propose that the first light came from a supernova. 2. The supernova is the result of God using his power to allow hydrogen atoms to fuse all at once in a star or group of stars in the center of Milky Way. The hydrogen atoms fused by allowing proton to capture the electron in each atom contrary to the common belief of science. Electron capture does occur in supernovae but electron capture on protons from hydrogen is not the causative factor. Supernovae occur in two basic situations. First, a star in the mass range 6-8 solar masses and less than (something near) 25 solar masses reaches the point at which the nuclear fuel in the innermost stellar core is exhausted. At this point the star is fusing various light elements into heavier elements, including indeed still some hydrogen into helium in the outer reaches of the core. But the key point is that the inner core consists entirely of iron, and iron cannot fuse with iron to make a still heavier nucleus with the release of energy. The iron core is initially held up by electron degeneracy pressure against its own mass, but when the core size becomes large enough, weak nuclear processes become fast enough to remove the electron degeneracy pressure and the inner core then collapses under its own weight. Considerable gravitational binding energy is released in the collapse, which produces a shock wave proceeding outward from the core. The great majority of the energy in such a gravitational collapse supernova is released in the form of neutrinos and anti-neutrinos which are mainly produced by electron-positron annihilation in the early stages of the collapse. A small fraction of the energy is transformed into light and kinetic energy of the shockwave, and even this small fraction is enough to completely disrupt the outer layers of the star producing an enormous explosion. If the star, before the supernova, still retains its outer envelope, then the envelope contains an enormous mass of unfused hydrogen and this unfused hydrogen is very easily detectable in the light we observe from the supernova explosion. So in this type of supernova, the cause is *not* that all the hydrogen fuses at once, much less that all the electrons are captured onto all the protons. The second basic situation in which a supernova may occur is generally thought to be a case in which a white dwarf star orbits a companion star closely enough that matter from the companion can accrete onto the white dwarf. This can easily occur, for example, if the companion becomes a red giant. For example, in a light star, fusion cannot proceed beyond oxygen in the core, because the mass is insufficient to produce further collapse of the star and the accompanying temperature increase which could ignite oxygen burning. Such a star at the end of its life has sufficient electron degeneracy pressure to hold its core up, and if it were isolated it would then simply cool down forever, despite the abundant nuclear fuel remaining. But the situation is very different in a binary due to the mass transfer. If the accretion rate is neither too fast or too slow, mass transfer eventually destabilizes the white dwarf companion by raising the internal pressure and temperature in the dwarf's core to a point at which oxygen can begin to burn by nuclear fusion to heavier elements. This reaction becomes a runaway reaction, and proceeds to burn up the entire white dwarf, which however, has little or no hydrogen in it, except on the very surface. The result is a gigantic thermonuclear explosion which destroys the whole white dwarf, and in which many heavy elements are produced. The spectrum of such a supernova generally has practically no detectable presence of hydrogen. However, that electron capture on protons in hydrogen was the cause is out of the question. The presence of spectral lines of many elements of the iron group, predicted to be produced in the thermonuclear explosion strongly suggests that something like the above scenario is a correct explanation for this type of supernova. 3. As a result of the fusion of electron and proton, the electron and positron annihilated producing light and other subatomic particles such as pions, muons, neutrinos and others. Note that in those days no neutrino ever roamed in the universe. What positron? Electron capture in hydrogen produces a neutron and a neutrino. Typical temperatures in supernovae are too low for there to be any very significant production of on shell pions or muons. 4. Supernova may or may not produce a pulsar or neutron star. A neutron star resulted in a partial annihilation of a star thru rapid fusion or supernova. The release of neutrinos during the supernova process could be trapped in an ongoing but not yet complete fusion of electron and proton, hence a neutron results and the neutrons grouped to form a neutron star. A core collapse supernova will always produce a neutron star. Neutrinos and anti-neutrinos are initially trapped in the hyperdense collapsing core, but they do escape in great numbers and they have been detected. If the neutrinos did not eventually escape, there would be be no supernova explosion. Instead there would be a black hole. 5. The supernova fed all the stars in this galaxy with neutrinos so that the stars and our own sun will continue to shine and not explode destroying also the planets in the system. What a genius! It took three days for neutrinos to travel to the farthest star perhaps our sun? The travel time of three days is far too short. The flux of neutrinos from other stars in our galaxy at the sun can be easily calculated, is insignificant, and makes no difference to the evolution of our sun. 6. The sun also produced neutrino but through electron-proton fusion as evidenced by the light we see. Some of the neutrinos created by the sun were trapped between electron and proton to produce neutron which is needed to produce helium and other heavier atoms. The neutrinos that were not trapped were able to escape the sun and travelled through the universe. This is the reason why physicists could not account for the missing neutrinos but invented a self-transmuting particle. There exists no mechanism for `trapping' neutrinos between electrons and protons. Physicists accounted for the missing neutrinos by proposing neutrino oscillations and non-zero neutrino masses, true, but this appears now to be the correct explanation for the missing solar neutrinos. 7. The cycle of a star to undergo supernova depends on the total need of the universe in a normal condition i.e. the net background neutrino should remain constant. If not, a star lacking in neutrino will likely become a supernova. The evolution of stars is independent of the typical background neutrino flux. The mean free path of a 1 MeV neutrino in iron is about 1 light year; the average density of the sun and many stars is less than that of iron. Best Regards, David |
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David Ewan Kahana wrote in message ...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:25:12 +0000, Giovanni wrote: 1. In Genesis account, God created light on the first day but the sun and the stars were created by God on the fourth day. What is this light or its source on the first day? Simple, the light was from a supernova. God is light and does not need to create light to be able to see things. So, God created a physical light so that physical things will be visible to the physical world or universe. Electron capture does occur in supernovae but electron capture on protons from hydrogen is not the causative factor. So, you still believe that rpoton-proton chain results into fusion? Read the many papers on this chain reaction and the billions of dollars spent on its research and the years of unfruitful results. Considerable gravitational binding energy is released in the collapse, which produces a shock wave proceeding outward from the core. The great majority of the energy in such a gravitational collapse supernova is released in the form of neutrinos and anti-neutrinos which are mainly produced by electron-positron annihilation in the early stages of the collapse. A small fraction of the energy is transformed into light and kinetic energy of the shockwave, and even this small fraction is enough to completely disrupt the outer layers of the star producing an enormous explosion. Gravity is not a big factor in the collapse of s a star. On the first item, I mentioned that it it was on the fourth day that the sun gave off light. This implies that the hydrogen in the sun was in liquid state and so are the gases in some planets. In liquid state, the gravity was greater in magnitude yet it took three days? for the sun to collapse if gravity is the cause? Oh, not only three days but very much more than that. 3. As a result of the fusion of electron and proton, the electron and positron annihilated producing light and other subatomic particles such as pions, muons, neutrinos and others. Note that in those days no neutrino ever roamed in the universe. What positron? Electron capture in hydrogen produces a neutron and a neutrino. Typical temperatures in supernovae are too low for there to be any very significant production of on shell pions or muon Temperature is not a factor for the production of pions or muons. Proton is a composite particle meaning positron is one of the many particles inside it. As soon as the electron is captured by the proton it meets the positron since neutrino is not present that time and the two annihilates and the rest of the particles further disintegrates. At that time the temperature was still very low. A core collapse supernova will always produce a neutron star. I disagree. See my explanation. If the neutrinos did not eventually escape, there would be be no supernova explosion. Instead there would be a black hole. The travel time of three days is far too short. The flux of neutrinos from other stars in our galaxy at the sun can be easily calculated, is insignificant, and makes no difference to the evolution of our sun. I was just thinking if the sun was the farthest star for it to be reached by the neutrino. There exists no mechanism for `trapping' neutrinos between electrons and protons. Physicists accounted for the missing neutrinos by proposing neutrino oscillations and non-zero neutrino masses, true, but this appears now to be the correct explanation for the missing solar neutrinos. Hearsay. We are on equal footing :-). The evolution of stars is independent of the typical background neutrino flux. The mean free path of a 1 MeV neutrino in iron is about 1 light year; the average density of the sun and many stars is less than that of iron. That's statistics and not related to the process. "Neutrino capture" occurs only whenever there is an electron capture but not always. This could explain why the sun does not exhaust all its hydrogen fast. By the way, electron capture in hydrogen is no mystery. What hinders an electron from contacting proton? Initially they are attracting each other due to their charge but there is something that blocks the two. This I'll explain later if time and situation permits. It's really good to read your posts. I learn from you. Best Regards, Vanni |
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