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Deep space Dragon spacecraft?
How much space is required per person for long duration (I assume the
issue is duration rather than distance) space travel? Does anything set a good starting point for estimation? I would think that what one can deal with over six days is rather different than what one would deal with for six weeks or six months etc etc. rick jones -- Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. - Anonymous these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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Deep space Dragon spacecraft?
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says... In article , says... How much space is required per person for long duration (I assume the issue is duration rather than distance) space travel? Does anything set a good starting point for estimation? I would think that what one can deal with over six days is rather different than what one would deal with for six weeks or six months etc etc. This has been studied over and over by both NASA and Russia. Google "simulated space mission". For example: Crew selected for Hawaii simulated space mission, July 7, 2012 http://washingtonexaminer.com/crew-s...mulated-space- mission/article/feed/2009877 MARS-500 (Russian simulation of a manned Mars mission) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500 Lost in simulated space on the way to Mars by Wang Ru for China Daily, Jan 19, 2012 http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Los...n_the_way_to_M ars_999.html No doubt there are numerous scientific papers on the subject. Almost forgot about NEEMO missions on Aquarius. The simulated "missions" are not as long as needed to get to Mars and back, but the underwater lab is rather small when compared to the Mars mission simulators, so it's likely another useful data point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEEMO http://aquarius.uncw.edu/about/ Jeff -- " Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. " - tinker |
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Deep space Dragon spacecraft?
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MARS-500 (Russian simulation of a manned Mars mission) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500#Facility suggests there were 550 cubic meters of volume there. Shared by a crew of 6 people. Lost in simulated space on the way to Mars by Wang Ru for China Daily, Jan 19, 2012 http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Los...ars_999.htm l Says he had a 3 square meter space of his own out of the space in the simulated spacecraft. So, I have the person with whom you are debating killfiled, so I may have missed something but what else is expected to be coming along for the ride with Orion? Any chance of another "Shimmer" moment with one person thinking Orion alone and another thinking Orion docked with something else? rick jones -- No need to believe in either side, or any side. There is no cause. There's only yourself. The belief is in your own precision. - Joubert these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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Deep space Dragon spacecraft?
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says... Jeff Findley wrote: MARS-500 (Russian simulation of a manned Mars mission) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500#Facility suggests there were 550 cubic meters of volume there. Shared by a crew of 6 people. Lost in simulated space on the way to Mars by Wang Ru for China Daily, Jan 19, 2012 http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Los...ars_999.htm l Says he had a 3 square meter space of his own out of the space in the simulated spacecraft. So, I have the person with whom you are debating killfiled, so I may have missed something but what else is expected to be coming along for the ride with Orion? Any chance of another "Shimmer" moment with one person thinking Orion alone and another thinking Orion docked with something else? I don't think either of us really knows what would be "needed" until someone better defines what a "deep space mission" is in terms of duration. Unfortunately, NASA seems to be going about this ass- backwards by building vehicles before defining missions. One person was thinking Orion plus a space station core module, plus a Bigelow inflatable module, plus a propulsion module... It all started to sound rather large, especially if a "deep space mission" was to and from the moon (which is only about 3 days travel to get there). I was giving the example of what Apollo 8 did with "just" a CSM. I think Orion is already well suited to basic transportation. In some ways, it's more "roomy" than the space shuttle orbiter's pressurized volume (flight deck and mid-deck). I think a lot of things change if the destination already has some sort of space station, lander, habitat, etc. Why drag all that along with you if your destination already has it all? It would be like driving a huge RV cross country only to stay in a five star hotel at your destination. If a hotel is your destination, perhaps a much smaller RV would be cheaper... Jeff -- " Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. " - tinker |
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