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"Andrew Swallow" wrote in message ...
"Abrigon Gusiq" wrote in message ... I know a bit like science fiction, but what is the plans and doctrine with dealing with space related warfare? Especially now that China (PRC) is working on a consistant manned presense in space, with a possible space station in the next 5-10 years. Well, for what I found in the past weeks, US is taking the question quite seriously. Here the Transformation Flight Plan. http://www.insidedefense.com/secure/...us2004_401.pdf there are a couple of counter-documents that I can't locate right now. Darpa has a section that is going straight ahead on the subject. Anyway, the major threat is damage on expensive satellites with inexpensive suicidal satellites and rockets. One calculated nuclear explosion in space would generate an EMP that would cripple most of the electronical equipment. |
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EAC wrote:
It also should be noted that the current Space Shuttle is probability also was designed to be a carrier of nuclear missiles. In the same sense that any cargo-carrying vehicle of sufficient size can carry nuclear missiles. If your insinuation was that this was a mission of the space shuttle, then you are completely mistaken, and I would like to know where you acquired this bizarre idea. Paul |
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"Karl Hallowell" wrote in message om... "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" wrote in message ... "Abrigon Gusiq" wrote in message ... I know a bit like science fiction, but what is the plans and doctrine with dealing with space related warfare? Especially now that China (PRC) is working on a consistant manned presense in space, with a possible space station in the next 5-10 years. Having seen the US station FUBAR Spacehole One I doubt they'll want to copy that mistake. They'll go straight for a moonbase. Why? They should be able to demonstrate a large space station at a fraction of the cost of ISS. Sounds like a cheaper political victory than going to the Moon. They have to avoid the cost plus structure of NASA bidding, the multilateral approach, and the constant redesigning of the space station. If they can do that, then they should be able to embarrass NASA quite handily. Not as embarassing as going back to the moon before the US. Most of the cost of a moonbase is getting off Earth, so it should not be significantly more expensive than a space station if its done right. -- Dirk The Consensus:- The political party for the new millennium http://www.theconsensus.org |
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What if it were discovered that a Moon sized asteroid were on a collision course with Earth, and would arrive in 25 years? Would we have enough time to evacuate anyone? Could we establish a sizeable O'neal colony jin that amount of time? There are no moon sized asteroids. The largest asteroids are about 1/10 the moons diameter. The largest earth-orbit crossing asteroids are about ten miles in length. Still a very bad thing if it hits. |
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"Susanooh" wrote in message m... "Andrew Swallow" wrote in message ... "Abrigon Gusiq" wrote in message ... I know a bit like science fiction, but what is the plans and doctrine with dealing with space related warfare? Especially now that China (PRC) is working on a consistant manned presense in space, with a possible space station in the next 5-10 years. Well, for what I found in the past weeks, US is taking the question quite seriously. Here the Transformation Flight Plan. http://www.insidedefense.com/secure/...us2004_401.pdf there are a couple of counter-documents that I can't locate right now. Darpa has a section that is going straight ahead on the subject. Anyway, the major threat is damage on expensive satellites with inexpensive suicidal satellites and rockets. One calculated nuclear explosion in space would generate an EMP that would cripple most of the electronical equipment. A megaton nuke exploded in space will wipe out every bit of unshielded electronics for around 800 miles around the ground zero. That means computers, car ignition systems, telephones, radios, TVs etc It would wipe out a modern nation's economy overnight. -- Dirk The Consensus:- The political party for the new millennium http://www.theconsensus.org |
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"Ami Silberman" writes:
There are no moon sized asteroids. Only because anything that big in orbit around the sun is called a planet rather than an asteroid. I'll agree, though, that it would be very difficult for something the size of the moon to hide well enough that we wouldn't see it until it was just 25 years away. FWIW, NASA has just announced the discovery of a new object in the Kupier belt that is estimated to be significantly smaller than the moon and several times further away than Pluto. I'd expect that we would have caught anything bigger and closer than that already. -- Roger Moore | Master of Meaningless Trivia | ) I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. -- James Madison |
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Just to answer that question...no. And it doesn't have to be nearly that
big. "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon" were not that far off in their descriptions of what could and would happen, but "When Worlds Collide" would be more on the mark of what we could do to escape. One ship with our best and brightest...and you and I both know that neither of us are going on that trip. Beryl Turner "Bootstrap Bill" wrote in message ... "Ian Stirling" wrote in message ... Or just that an asteroid was in route to hit earth? How would we deal with it, other than to take it in the chin? The basic way seems to be to get several-many nuclear weapons out there as fast as possible. The more weapons and the more time you have, the more it can be diverted. Having years is good. Centuries is great. The basic idea is to blow up the bomb around a radius or so from the asteroid, and flash-vapourise the surface of the asteroid. This then boils off almost instantly, and pushes the asteroid the other way. Repeat until course misses earth. What if it were discovered that a Moon sized asteroid were on a collision course with Earth, and would arrive in 25 years? Would we have enough time to evacuate anyone? Could we establish a sizeable O'neal colony jin that amount of time? |
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One to consider that a common tactical axiom is that whomever has the high
ground, has the advantage. And it doesn't get any higher than space. Moonbases, L5 stations, orbital missile platforms...it's a lot to take in. You put a mass-driver on the moon, calculate the ballistics and wham! You get missiles in orbit, wait for the right moment, launch and bam! You build a gigantic magnifying glass in orbit, aim it just right and sizzle! Seriously, the point here is that the US has to re-establish a significant orbital and lunar presence. If somebody else starts building little pink houses up there, we're screwed. Our administration is looking at NASA as a soak-off, while the European Union and the ESA is about to commercialize it. Remember, the Imperials in Star Wars were British, not American.... "Abrigon Gusiq" wrote in message ... I know a bit like science fiction, but what is the plans and doctrine with dealing with space related warfare? Especially now that China (PRC) is working on a consistant manned presense in space, with a possible space station in the next 5-10 years. As well as the possible access to space by more than the current access. Namely instead of just Soyuz/Shuttle, but a possible X-prize winner or like? Examples being: What if someone attacked and took over the International Space Station? Or someone found ways to get to the asteroid belt and start throwing rocks? Or just that an asteroid was in route to hit earth? How would we deal with it, other than to take it in the chin? Mike |
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Karl Hallowell wrote:
"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" wrote in message ... "Abrigon Gusiq" wrote in message ... I know a bit like science fiction, but what is the plans and doctrine with dealing with space related warfare? Especially now that China (PRC) is working on a consistant manned presense in space, with a possible space station in the next 5-10 years. Having seen the US station FUBAR Spacehole One I doubt they'll want to copy that mistake. They'll go straight for a moonbase. Why? They should be able to demonstrate a large space station at a fraction of the cost of ISS. Sounds like a cheaper political victory than going to the Moon. They have to avoid the cost plus structure of NASA bidding, the multilateral approach, and the constant redesigning of the space station. If they can do that, then they should be able to embarrass NASA quite handily. That really does not match their overall strategy though. They have been slow and methodical. If they go for a space station, it would far more likely be a one or two element station launched off their heaviest launch vehicle. Probably a single launch. At this stage, they are far more likely aiming at slowly building up core skills and tech. If they went into a full up competition, they would be taking an unnecessary risk and investment. |
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