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says... NASA put out a tweet pointing a a video: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...m_feature.html Looks like the inflatable module is to be just a payload in some sort of Dragon ship berthen on ISS. Payload extracted from the dragon (or whatever that ship may be) and then brought to another CBM port. It's just a normal Dragon, as far as I can tell. Dragon's service module has always had an unpressurized "trunk" for delivery of (external) cargo to ISS. I was really expecting the non-inflated module to be "the ship" instead of some object inside a ship. That's the beauty of inflatables, they're lightweight and compact during launch, but expand to quite large sizes when inflated. They're also quite strong. Ever stand on top of an unopened aluminum pop can, drink the pop, then try to stand on the empty can? The empty can is much more susceptible to buckling (crushing) than the full can. On top of that is the ability for an inflatable to have *better* MMOD protection than a fixed (rigid aluminum) shell since their inflated outer diameter is not constrained by launch vehicle fairing diameter. Also of interest is that the end is a solid disk, as opposed to being inflatable. So it is more of an inflatable cylinder between the solid CBM at one end and that solid disk at the other end. My first guess at this would be that it keeps the design symmetric which simplifies structural design. My second thought is that, like other Bigelow inflatable designs, there could be an internal structural connection between the CBM end and the "solid disk" end. The one difference I see is that this design seems to expand in length when inflated. I don't believe other Bigelow inflatable module designs have done this. I'm guessing this modification to the design was made in order to get BEAM to fit inside the Dragon trunk. Jeff -- "the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer |
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In article om,
says... On 13-01-16 16:51, JF Mezei wrote: NASA put out a tweet pointing a a video: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...m_feature.html More details: Launches aboard SpaceX Dragon. (launch number 8 in 2015). Air to inflate it will be stored inside the module. It is to be a 2 year test period with instruments to monitor radiation, air leaks, temperature. Crew members will periodically enter the module to see it. Module to be ditched after 2 years. (no sure how it will de-orbit though). So this is not an addition to the space station, it is more akin to those experiments where they leave some material exposed to space for 2 years and monitor them. Precisely. And there is no information on whether the module will be outfitted with anything inside or whether it will just be the monitoring equipment. Since it will be disposed of at end of life, it would not surprise me if it were used to store trash, especially near its "end of life" on the station. Trash buildup, and clutter in general, was one of the big problems on Mir. Visits by the shuttle helped Mir get rid of a lot of trash they otherwise had a hard time getting rid of. I would expect that ISS might have similar issues. This is related to the problem where a suitcase packed with clean, neatly folded clothing seems to be much harder to pack with the same clothing once they've been worn and are no longer neatly folded. Question: if a detached module is ordered to open a valve to let the air out, could this provide enough delta-V to cause it to drop sufficiently to cause re-entry ? Since this module is to be empty, the amount f energy required to lower its orbit would be less significant than a full module. You'd have to "do the math". One big challenge would be to insure it was pointed in the right direction when it was deflated. If it's got enough delta-V to reenter, it would have enough delta-V to impact the station. Due to safety issues alone, I'm guessing it will either remain completely inflated or would be only partially deflated before being released by ISS. I suspect they'll leave it at least partially inflated so that it remains a "fluffy" structure which will reenter faster than if they deflated it completely and caused it to become more dense. Jeff -- "the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer |
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says... In article , says... There is a new release on this. seems to me though that they will be keeping it closed off most of the time in case of disaster. "Disaster" is a harsh word that I would not use. If there was any chance of it experiencing a sudden structural failure, the forces on ISS would not be pretty. If that were a likely possibility, it wouldn't be allowed to be attached to ISS at all. Imagine this "worst case" scenario: BEAM "comes undone" where the inflatable part attaches to the "solid disk" end. The diameter of this looks to be roughly the diameter of a CBM, whose outside diameter is approximately 80 inches. The area of a disk 40 inches in radius is pi*r-squared or approximately 5027 square inches. NASA spec'ed ISS internal pressure as sea level, or 14.7 psi. So the instantaneous force on ISS caused by the "solid disk" releasing is surface area times pressure or approximately 74,000 pounds. In other words, the worst case scenario structural failure of the BEAM pressure vessel would turn out to be a "very bad day" for ISS. Jeff -- "the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer |
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On 1/17/2013 5:42 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:
There is a new release on this. [...snip...] The BEAM is scheduled to launch aboard the eighth SpaceX cargo resupply mission to the station contracted by NASA, currently planned for 2015. Following the arrival of the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft carrying the BEAM to the station, astronauts will use the station's robotic arm to install the module on the aft port of the Tranquility node. After the module is berthed to the Tranquility node, the station crew will activate a pressurization system to expand the structure to its full size using air stored within the packed module. This is all very curious and interesting. Must be the ultimate do-it-yourself kit. First the hab will have to be off-loaded from the Dragon capsule, then what? Is it assembled within the station or from the outside with it attached to the arm? Once attached to the Tranquility node it's inflated, so I imagine there are extra air cylinders included with the 'kit'? Anyone know? I might need to fire off an email to Mr. Perrotto for clarification... Dave |
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On 1/17/2013 5:23 PM, David Spain wrote:
Once attached to the Tranquility node it's inflated, so I imagine there are extra air cylinders included with the 'kit'? Anyone know? Never mind... Didn't read the whole thread... Seen the video... Dave |
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No doubt the t shirt will be along shortly!
Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "David Spain" wrote in message ... On 1/17/2013 5:23 PM, David Spain wrote: Once attached to the Tranquility node it's inflated, so I imagine there are extra air cylinders included with the 'kit'? Anyone know? Never mind... Didn't read the whole thread... Seen the video... Dave |
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