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Old September 4th 11, 04:48 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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"mpc755" wrote:
The main issue with the 'Mainstream Scientific Establishment' is not
understanding aether has mass. What is presently postulated as non-
baryonic dark matter is aether.

Aether physically occupies three dimensional space and is
physically displaced by matter.

A = m / L^3 ... or what?

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

m*v = A * sin(t) .... or what?

Force exerted toward matter by aether displaced by matter is gravity.

F / m = A / G ... or what?

So, put in the correct equation, Cavedon. Stop singing!
Maybe Heger can help you with four-vectors or Quaternions.
Stop with your aethereal songs and show the math!
Get the Aether show on the road, guys.
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Old September 4th 11, 09:14 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Le 03/09/11 22:25, Pentcho Valev a écrit :
On Sep 3, 10:10 pm, jacob wrote:
Problem is, that physics is an experimental science.

Relativity is confirmed by an incredible number of experiments.

Taking (at random) a relatively recent one:

NASA Announces Results of Epic Space-Time Experiment

May 4, 2011: Einstein was right again. There is a space-time vortex
around Earth, and its shape precisely matches the predictions of
Einstein's theory of gravity.

Researchers confirmed these points at a press conference today at NASA
headquarters where they announced the long-awaited results of Gravity
Probe B (GP-B).

"The space-time around Earth appears to be distorted just as general
relativity predicts," says Stanford University physicist Francis
Everitt, principal investigator of the Gravity Probe B mission.

see

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...011/04may_epic

What do you have to say to that mister?


That nowadays the experimental confirmations of Divine Albert's Divine
Theory are glorious and absolutely honest. Initially they were only
glorious:


And in the rest of your reply you do NOT even mention the experimental
result I cited. Nothing, not a word.

You are unable to argue it away. It is an experimental confirmation
of a theory that you say is wrong.



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Old September 4th 11, 09:14 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Le 03/09/11 22:21, Androcles a écrit :
"jacob wrote in message
...
| Problem is, that physics is an experimental science.
|
| Relativity is confirmed by an incredible number of experiments.
|
Problem is, you are an ignorant lying bigot and a dumb****.




"Androcles" is unable to put forward any arguments, as
always. Just insults, polemic, whatever.
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Old September 4th 11, 09:29 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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"jacob navia" wrote in message
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| Le 03/09/11 22:21, Androcles a écrit :
| "jacob wrote in message
| ...
| | Problem is, that physics is an experimental science.
| |
| | Relativity is confirmed by an incredible number of experiments.
| |
| Problem is, you are an ignorant lying bigot and a dumb****.
|
|
|
|
| "Androcles" is unable to put forward any arguments, as
| always. Just insults, polemic, whatever.
|
****head "jacob navia" just argues without a shred of evidence, as always.
Just assertion, bull****, whatever.
Here's an argument, you ****ing imbecile, and you have no logical
answer, you can't read mathematics.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...uons/Muons.htm



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Old September 4th 11, 10:10 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Thomas Heger wrote in message

Am 03.09.2011 18:38, schrieb GSS:
Agreed that grasping the intricacies of physical phenomena and
developing theories thereof, is a slow and tedious process which forms
an integral part of our evolution. But why mistaken beliefs, erroneous
assumptions and wrong theories go undetected, uncorrected for hundreds
of years even in the modern age of instant communications? Why the
collective wisdom of millions of scientists in the 'Mainstream
Scientific Establishment' cannot detect, check or correct the follies
of a few individuals for hundreds of years? The case in point is the
Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein. Precious human and material
resources are being wasted in sustaining the mistaken beliefs in
'length contraction', 'time dilation', 'spacetime curvature' and
fictitious 'Inertial Reference Frames in relative motion'.


I personally believe, that theoretical physics as we know it is
intentionally wrong. Better models are known, but not for the common
mortals.


Yes, that's why, when nobody is watching, we call it
The Great Cosmic Common Mortals Conspiracy.

Dirk Vdm
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Old September 4th 11, 11:04 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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On Sep 3, 6:38*pm, GSS wrote:

This paper demonstrates that the second postulate of SR is wrong, and
that the Newtonian notions of absolute space and time are correct. It
describes a simple doable experiment to confirm the same.https://sites.google.com/a/fundament.../Home/book_fil...


That was a very well written article by you however the real issue is
not what Einstein and his contemporaries did but rather what happened
in the late 17th century Royal Society England where the real issues
have to be dealt with,after all,there is a feedback loop between the
toxic strain of empiricism that arose with Newton and the attempts of
the guys in the early 20th century to deal with it as best they
could,unfortunately it meant creating a bigger can of worms centering
around absolute/relative time,space and motion.

You may assume that the work of Newton represents a natural
progression from Galileo back through Kepler and on the great work
that began with Copernicus however the format Newton used to center
his agenda based on making no distinction between the behavior of
objects at a human level and planetary dynamics does not just take
liberties with the geometrical language of astronomy but distorts it
to such a degree that the original insights are unrecognizable.It
would help if empiricists themselves were interested in what Isaac was
actually doing with those absolute/relative time,space and motion
definitions but the incentive doesn't seem to be there even though his
distortions are fairly matter of fact ones and the payoff for
physicists in many,many magnitudes more than retaining the structure
which asks too much of experimental sciences and astronomy.

Despite his obfuscations,intentional or not,Newton clarifies a
conception just long enough to shed light on everything that
follows,the chances are that first time readers either won't grasp the
offending passage or will run to Isaac's defense while this is merely
laying out the physical considerations which do not tally with the
original language which produced the idea of a rotating and orbiting
Earth -

"It is indeed a matter of great difficulty to discover, and
effectually to distinguish, the true motion of particular bodies from
the apparent; because the parts of that absolute space, in which those
motions are performed, do by no means come under the observation of
our senses. Yet the thing is not altogether desperate; for we have
some arguments to guide us, partly from the apparent motions, which
are the differences of the true motions; partly from the forces, which
are the causes and effects of the true motion." Newton

It should be as offensive to an experimentalist as it is for an
astronomer as the antecedent empirical sciences never overreached with
the analogies as they applied to cause and effect drawn down from
planetary dynamics never mind trying to bump up experimental sciences
to planetary dynamics,solar system structure and cosmological
evolution.The empiricists prior to Newton were actually getting a lot
of work done and while much of it was later attributed to Newton,it
does not take away from the fact that what once was the start of a
really productive agenda to link cause and effect and apply it as
loose analogies between,say,planetary dynamics and terrestrial
effects,that productive area disappeared when followers chained
themselves to Newton's concept which attempt to say too much with too
little information.An example of the productive nature of empiricism
before the all-sing,all-dancing agenda Isaac introduced can be found
in many of the letters that preceded Isaac's distortions -

http://books.google.com/books?id=RyB...page&q&f=false

The upshot is that there will be no new revolutions nor anything
worthwhile that will contain the attention of the wider population
unless this is dealt with properly and while people may not care as
long as they are getting paid,it won't account for those people who
genuinely feel the loss of stature which is causing both empirical
sciences and astronomy to crumble like a train wreck happening in slow
motion.












2. *Demystification of the spacetime model of relativity
Abstract: The geometrical interpretation of gravitation in general
theory of relativity imparts certain mystical properties to the
spacetime continuum. The mystic connotations associated with this
spacetime model may be attributed to the fallacious depiction of
spacetime as a physical entity. This paper proves that the spacetime
continuum in general relativity is a simple mathematical model and not
a physical entity.

This paper establishes the fact that GR is founded on the mistaken
belief that the spacetime is a physical entity which can even get
"curved". It has been clearly demonstrated that spacetime is not a
physical entity but just a mathematical 4D 'graphical' template used
to compute gravitational trajectories of particles as geodesic curves.
The so called "curvature" of spacetime is an utterly misleading
'misnomer' which just represents a non-zero value of the Riemann
tensor composed from the scaling factors of different axes of the
'graphical' template.https://sites.google.com/a/fundament.../Home/book_fil...

GSShttp://book.fundamentalphysics.info/


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Old September 4th 11, 11:24 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Le 04/09/11 10:29, Androcles a écrit :
"jacob wrote in message
...
| Le 03/09/11 22:21, Androcles a écrit :
| "jacob wrote in message
| ...
| | Problem is, that physics is an experimental science.
| |
| | Relativity is confirmed by an incredible number of experiments.
| |
| Problem is, you are an ignorant lying bigot and a dumb****.
|
|
|
|
| "Androcles" is unable to put forward any arguments, as
| always. Just insults, polemic, whatever.
|
****head "jacob navia" just argues without a shred of evidence, as always.
Just assertion, bull****, whatever.
Here's an argument, you ****ing imbecile, and you have no logical
answer, you can't read mathematics.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...uons/Muons.htm


OK, I went to that page and in the article *YOU* cite I can read:

quote
The previous Muon Storage Ring experiment at CERN reported a value of
the muon lifetime in flight for a relativistic factor of approx 12
which agreed within 1% with the predicted value obtained by applying
the above Einstein time dilation factor to the measured lifetime at
rest. Here we report separate measurements for mu+ and mu- with a factor
of 29.33, which are an order of magnitude more precise and which show
that the predictions of special relativity obtain ever under
accelerations as large as 10e18g and down to distances less than
10e-15cm.
end quote

In that article the scientists produce yet another experimental
confirmation of relativity.

My theory that you are just a crackpot is confirmed (again).

I can confidently predict that you will answer with even more
insults, confirming (again) my theory: you are just a crackpot.


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Old September 4th 11, 12:04 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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"jacob navia" wrote in message
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| Le 04/09/11 10:29, Androcles a écrit :
| "jacob wrote in message
| ...
| | Le 03/09/11 22:21, Androcles a écrit :
| | "jacob wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Problem is, that physics is an experimental science.
| | |
| | | Relativity is confirmed by an incredible number of experiments.
| | |
| | Problem is, you are an ignorant lying bigot and a dumb****.
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | "Androcles" is unable to put forward any arguments, as
| | always. Just insults, polemic, whatever.
| |
| ****head "jacob navia" just argues without a shred of evidence, as
always.
| Just assertion, bull****, whatever.
| Here's an argument, you ****ing imbecile, and you have no logical
| answer, you can't read mathematics.
| http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...uons/Muons.htm
|
| OK, I went to that page and in the article *YOU* cite I can read:
|
| quote
| The previous Muon Storage Ring experiment at CERN reported a value of
| the muon lifetime in flight for a relativistic factor of approx 12
| which agreed within 1% with the predicted value obtained by applying
| the above Einstein time dilation factor to the measured lifetime at
| rest. Here we report separate measurements for mu+ and mu- with a factor
| of 29.33, which are an order of magnitude more precise and which show
| that the predictions of special relativity obtain ever under
| accelerations as large as 10e18g and down to distances less than
| 10e-15cm.
| end quote
|
| In that article the scientists produce yet another experimental
| confirmation of relativity.

Bwhahahaha!
The mean life of a muon is 64 microseconds and NOBODY has measured
it to be any different. Here comes a muon, lifetime 64 usec.
SR say it should be 2.2 usec at rest, so it must be zipping along and
time dilated back up to 64 usec! SR proves SR!
You are ****ing mad if you believe that ****.

You can't do the math anymore than the morons could in the paper I cited.
Asserting what they assert doesn't mean diddly squat, dumb****! You
didn't read what I wrote about it, did you, ya ****ing imbecile?
****head "jacob navia" just argues without a shred of evidence, as always.
Just assertion, bull****, whatever.



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Old September 4th 11, 01:29 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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In article , says...

Problem is, that physics is an experimental science.

Relativity is confirmed by an incredible number of experiments.

See here at the 13 min mark -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4962912264988#

Example 1 (contrary example)

I observe a pendulum clock coming straight at me. The point defined by where the pendulum disc is, all the way to
the left, say, of it's swing where it stops for a moment before swinging back, is the point coming straight toward us.
The light successively gets to me faster between these periods so I observe that clock to speed up.

Goodbye time dilation!



Example 2 (proper analysis)

Let's say I have 2 identical synchronized clocks initially together in the same FofR.

I now apply a bit of a force to one for a little while so I have now introduced a bit of a relative v between them.
Let's say I let this go on for a million years or so and then apply the moderate forces necessary to get the clocks
back together in the same FofR. So overwhelmingly, both clocks have been in different inertial FofR for a long time
with a relative v and the force and resultant acceleration can be entirely regarded as insignificant to any change in
the accelerated clock in comparison to the claimed dilation of Relativity due to the relative v.

The conditions of force and mass dictating both clock's periods has been the same, as per relativity's 1st
postulate, so 20 ticks of one clock is exactly the same as 20 tics of the other. Most people think that time dilation
means that time is actually passing at different rates from one observer to the other but it is not. Relativity itself
states that this is "apparent", not actual. Yet some people claim there is no universal time, which is wrong.

Experiments claim to have measured relative velocity time dilation and all are fraudulent lies. Anyone that
understands that time dilation is an apparent thing rather than an actual thing knows that. All others are members of
the sci-fi community.

The stupid part about this is that the theory itself claims that time only "appears" to elapse more slowly, not
that it actually does. So any clocks in an experiment like this should exhibit no difference whatsoever once together
in the same FofR again, aside from the accelerations involved to move them away initially and then bring them back
together later.

How can an experiment measure a difference when both clocks are back in the same FofR when the difference was only
ever claimed to have been "apparent" (not real), due to light speed and geometry, in the first place?


Goodbye 2nd postulate and Lorentz/Einstein hack.
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Old September 4th 11, 02:25 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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On Sep 3, 11:48*pm, "hanson" wrote:
"mpc755" wrote:

* The main issue with the 'Mainstream Scientific Establishment' is not understanding aether has mass. What is presently postulated as non-
baryonic dark matter is aether.


Aether physically occupies three dimensional space and is
physically displaced by matter.


A = m / L^3 ... or what?

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.


m*v = A * sin(t) .... or what?

Force exerted toward matter by aether displaced by matter is gravity.


F / m = A / G *... or what?

So, put in the correct equation, Cavedon. Stop singing!
Maybe Heger can help you with four-vectors or Quaternions.
Stop with your aethereal songs and show the math!
Get the Aether show on the road, guys.


'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles
of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations
of the electromagnetic field"

The electromagnetic field is a state of aether.

Matter is condensations of aether.

DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A.
EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish; however, the matter which no
longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists,
as aether.

Matter evaporates into aether.

As matter converts to aether it expands in three dimensional space.
The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring aether and
matter is energy.
 




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