The perpetual calendar

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:10:50 -0000, Androcles
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Cheryl :

Mike Barnes wrote:

Andrew Usher :

And the first day of the week is Sunday, not Monday - that is an
incontrovertible fact.

Crap.

Perhaps we could just point everyone to the last thread discussing
which is the first day of the week.

I don't think you've characterised that thread quite right. People
discussed which day of the week was most convenient for them. IIRC no-
one was insisting that one day was *the* first day of the week.

But if anyone subscribes to the view that there is a "the" first day of
the week, they should take a look at the International Standard ISO
8601, in which weeks are defined as beginning on Monday.

Perhaps you should look at this:
http://tinyurl.com/ybvrll5

So what? It seems likely that calendar layout is to a large
extent a matter of tradition.

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Brian

On Feb 19, 11:43Â*am, Andrew Usher wrote:
On Feb 19, 11:49 am, Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:

I think it was two years ago that the first night of Passover was on
Holy Thursday (or vice versa), which precisely reproduced the
historical occasion.

Oh, that's what you meant. Â*I though that you were talking about
Passover and Easter actually occurring on the same day. Â*But if Holy
Thursday is taken to run from midnight to midnight (rather than
sundown to sundown), I don't think that that's possible, since the
Hebrew calendar doesn't let Pesach fall on a Friday (with the seder on
the preceding Thursday night).

In Christ's time, there was no such rule, clearly.

Clearly according to the Synoptic Gospels, but some interpret John to
say that Passover that year was on a Saturday. From an Orthodox site:

"According to the Gospel of John, Pascha just happened to fall on a
Saturdayâ€* the year that Jesus was crucified. It is important to note
that Christ died on the Cross at the very hour the paschal lambs were
being slaughtered for the Feast; thus Christ is our Pascha, our
Passover Lamb, sacrificed for us."

The footnote is to John 11:55.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17394

The chronological table in the Jerusalem Bible dates Jesus' death to
30 A.D. on the basis that it was on a Friday, "the eve of the
Passover".

--
Jerry Friedman

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:49:14 -0000, Androcles
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And the first day of the week is Sunday, not Monday - that
is an incontrovertible fact.

Don't be ridiculous: it's merely a convention. For many of
us Monday is unquestionably the first day of the week.

Which day is Mittwoch

The middle of the five-day work week.

and which god is it holy to?

The great god Muddle, also known as Woden, Mercurius,
Buddha, Mother Sereda, and Hump.

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"Mike Dworetsky" wrote in message
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Androcles wrote:
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Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
On Feb 19, 4:34 am, James Hogg wrote:
John Atkinson wrote:
Halmyre wrote:
On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Andrew Usher" wrote in message

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Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the
calendar, and attempting in passing to create a more perfect
Church calendar, I say the following: 1. That Christmas day
should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be the Sunday
between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries the
Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not
normally. 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the
Sunday which is 15 weeks following Christmas. 3. That the leap
year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every fourth
save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a
Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which
is near enough. 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by
considering the first day of the year of weeks to occur on the
Sunday after the Assumption, and if this is the first possible
calendar day, it is called week 1, and otherwise week 2, and
every year runs through week 53. And this calendar ensures that
everything can be fixed to a day of a certain week, in
particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days
before Christmas. 6. This is surely the best possible
arrangement that can be made, without disturbing the cycle of
weeks or that of calendar days inherited from the Romans.
Andrew Usher
The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the
onewe habe in fine as it is
I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with
it.

But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You
might as well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you
suggesting that we only take holidays at Easter every four years
or so, when your “settled” date just happens to correspond with
the right lunar phase?

My Book of Common Prayer makes things easy by pointing out that
"the moon referred to in the definition of Easter Day is not the
actual moon of the heavens, but the Calendar Moon, or Moon of the
Lunar Cycle, which is counted as full on its fourteenth day,
reckoned from the day of the Calendar New Moon inclusive." Also,
in a Bissextile Year "the number of Sundays after Epiphany will be
the same, as if Easter Day had fallen one day later than it really
does."

the Orthodox (Eastern) churches have a slightly different system.
dunno exactly what it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

Easter

Orthodox Easter and other events are based on the Julian Calendar
(one year = 365.25 days), while Catholic and Protestant practice
follows the Gregorian calendar (one year = 365.2425 days plus the
1582 dropping of 10 days). Over several centuries, the date of the
spring equinox has drifted away from March 21 in the Orthodox
calendar. The two religious systems have different methods for
calculating
Easter within their own calendars.

Do a Google search for "calendar FAQ".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsD2Nku6Zqo
Over two millennia, the date of the spring equinox has drifted by a
month.

Over 2000 years, the calendrical difference of 0.0075 d/yr adds up to 15
days.


In 1582, a correction of 10 days was done because the original agreement
for the date of Easter was made not on AD1 but in AD325 at the Council of
Nicea, so the accumulation over 1257 years was 9.4 days. I'm not certain
why they dropped 10 days instead of 9; possibly because 1600 would not be
a Gregorian leap year? Or possibly because the most prevalent date was
already pretty much set by around AD200?

1 lunar month = 29.53059 days
"And the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he
died." -- Genesis 5:27
969 lunar months = 74.5 years. If I were you I'd be very cautious of literal
translations of archaic timekeeping by the bell, book and candle brigade.

http://www.glyphweb.com/esky/constellations/aries.html
"Because of the effects of precession on the Earth, though, the First Point
of Aries moves through the sky, and in fact it left the constellation from
which it takes its name in about the year 70 BC, when it entered the
neighbouring constellation of Pisces. Nonetheless, it retains the name
'First Point of Aries'. Roughly 23,000 years from now, the Sun will have
completed its circuit of the zodiac, and the First Point will once again lie
among the stars from which it takes its name. "

Xmas is 3.5 days after the solstice, New Year is a week after Xmas, Easter
wanders about because it is tied to the Sunday sabbath, the Moslem sabbath
is a Friday noon prayer, Gawd put down his hod and trowel and rested on the
seventh day; the calendar is an unholy mess that has been meddled with by
priests of all religions, all of whom refuse to come to a consensus because
they all interpret their written texts differently
and what is written is holy in their sight.

The calendar shifts because the Earth precesses and if that is inconvenient
to Andrew Usher's Thanksgiving on a fourth Thor's (Norse god of
thunder) -day in the ninth month (Nov-ember) then too bad, Usher.

"Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?" -- Henry II

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"Mike Barnes" wrote in message
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Cheryl :
Mike Barnes wrote:
Andrew Usher :
And the first day of the week is Sunday, not Monday - that is an
incontrovertible fact.
Crap.

Perhaps we could just point everyone to the last thread discussing
which is the first day of the week.

I don't think you've characterised that thread quite right. People
discussed which day of the week was most convenient for them. IIRC no-
one was insisting that one day was *the* first day of the week.

But if anyone subscribes to the view that there is a "the" first day of
the week, they should take a look at the International Standard ISO
8601, in which weeks are defined as beginning on Monday.

Perhaps you should look at this:
http://tinyurl.com/ybvrll5
The rest of the world seems to have told International Standard ISO 8601
to get stuffed,

shrug

snipping courtesy returned, bigot. shrug

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On 2010-02-20, Brian M. Scott wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:12:09 -0800 (PST), Andrew Usher wrote:

And the first day of the week is Sunday, not Monday - that
is an incontrovertible fact.

Don't be ridiculous: it's merely a convention. For many of
us Monday is unquestionably the first day of the week.

From man 5 crontab:

When specifying day of week, both day 0 and day 7 will be
considered Sunday. BSD and AT&T seem to disagree about this.


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On 2010-02-20, Brian M. Scott wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:49:14 -0000, Androcles
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Don't be ridiculous: it's merely a convention. For many of
us Monday is unquestionably the first day of the week.

Which day is Mittwoch

The middle of the five-day work week.

It should be renamed Wotanstag.


--
Unix is a user-friendly operating system. It's just very choosy about
its friends.

Adam Funk :
From man 5 crontab:

When specifying day of week, both day 0 and day 7 will be
considered Sunday. BSD and AT&T seem to disagree about this.

But they presumably agree that day one is Monday.

(I found this convenient when programing my own calendar, in which the
week starts on Monday.)

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

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On 2010-02-20, Brian M. Scott wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:49:14 -0000, Androcles
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Don't be ridiculous: it's merely a convention. For many of
us Monday is unquestionably the first day of the week.

Which day is Mittwoch

The middle of the five-day work week.

It should be renamed Wotanstag.

Odin's, Wotan's, Woden's, Weden's, Wednesday, it's
all the same in the Germanic languages. Now try it in the
Latin languages... such as Portugooses.
Domingo segunda-feira terça-feira quarta-feira quinta-feira sexta-feira
sábado
and Italian
Domenica lunedì martedì mercoledì giovedì venerdì sabato

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