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Old September 24th 06, 06:55 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.messianic,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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http://www.cosmologystatement.org/


An Open Letter to the Scientific Community



(Published in New Scientist, May 22, 2004)

The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities,
things that we have never observed-- inflation, dark matter and dark
energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a
fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and
the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics
would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted
as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would,
at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the
underlying theory.

But the big bang theory can't survive without these fudge factors.
Without the hypothetical inflation field, the big bang does not predict
the smooth, isotropic cosmic background radiation that is observed,
because there would be no way for parts of the universe that are now
more than a few degrees away in the sky to come to the same temperature
and thus emit the same amount of microwave radiation.

Without some kind of dark matter, unlike any that we have observed on
Earth despite 20 years of experiments, big-bang theory makes
contradictory predictions for the density of matter in the universe.
Inflation requires a density 20 times larger than that implied by big
bang nucleosynthesis, the theory's explanation of the origin of the
light elements. And without dark energy, the theory predicts that the
universe is only about 8 billion years old, which is billions of years
younger than the age of many stars in our galaxy.

What is more, the big bang theory can boast of no quantitative
predictions that have subsequently been validated by observation. The
successes claimed by the theory's supporters consist of its ability to
retrospectively fit observations with a steadily increasing array of
adjustable parameters, just as the old Earth-centered cosmology of
Ptolemy needed layer upon layer of epicycles.

Yet the big bang is not the only framework available for understanding
the history of the universe. Plasma cosmology and the steady-state
model both hypothesize an evolving universe without beginning or end.
These and other alternative approaches can also explain the basic
phenomena of the cosmos, including the abundances of light elements,
the generation of large-scale structure, the cosmic background
radiation, and how the redshift of far-away galaxies increases with
distance. They have even predicted new phenomena that were subsequently
observed, something the big bang has failed to do.

Supporters of the big bang theory may retort that these theories do not
explain every cosmological observation. But that is scarcely
surprising, as their development has been severely hampered by a
complete lack of funding. Indeed, such questions and alternatives
cannot even now be freely discussed and examined. An open exchange of
ideas is lacking in most mainstream conferences. Whereas Richard
Feynman could say that "science is the culture of doubt", in cosmology
today doubt and dissent are not tolerated, and young scientists learn
to remain silent if they have something negative to say about the
standard big bang model. Those who doubt the big bang fear that saying
so will cost them their funding.

Even observations are now interpreted through this biased filter,
judged right or wrong depending on whether or not they support the big
bang. So discordant data on red shifts, lithium and helium abundances,
and galaxy distribution, among other topics, are ignored or ridiculed.
This reflects a growing dogmatic mindset that is alien to the spirit of
free scientific inquiry.

Today, virtually all financial and experimental resources in cosmology
are devoted to big bang studies. Funding comes from only a few sources,
and all the peer-review committees that control them are dominated by
supporters of the big bang. As a result, the dominance of the big bang
within the field has become self-sustaining, irrespective of the
scientific validity of the theory.

Giving support only to projects within the big bang framework
undermines a fundamental element of the scientific method -- the
constant testing of theory against observation. Such a restriction
makes unbiased discussion and research impossible. To redress this, we
urge those agencies that fund work in cosmology to set aside a
significant fraction of their funding for investigations into
alternative theories and observational contradictions of the big bang.
To avoid bias, the peer review committee that allocates such funds
could be composed of astronomers and physicists from outside the field
of cosmology.

Allocating funding to investigations into the big bang's validity, and
its alternatives, would allow the scientific process to determine our
most accurate model of the history of the universe.

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Old September 24th 06, 07:41 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.messianic,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:


http://www.cosmologystatement.org/


An Open Letter to the Scientific Community



(Published in New Scientist, May 22, 2004)

The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities,
things that we have never observed-- inflation, dark matter and dark
energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a
fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and
the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics
would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted
as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would,
at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the
underlying theory.


Maybe we should do what the Christians do, and just ignore the
contradictions?

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Old September 25th 06, 12:06 AM posted to alt.atheism,alt.messianic,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.cosmologystatement.org/


An Open Letter to the Scientific Community



snip...


Yet the big bang is not the only framework available for understanding
the history of the universe. Plasma cosmology and the steady-state
model both hypothesize an evolving universe without beginning or end.




LOL! Do you know what is steady state universe, Ray? It is universe
that always existed, universe without beginning - something that is as
anti-biblical as you can get.

When was Big Bang proven to exist, your people were screaming from the
rooftops: "Bible says that universe had a beginning and science agrees!
Science proves Bible true!"

Do you really want to flush your Bible down the toilet, Ray?

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Old October 23rd 06, 04:44 AM posted to alt.atheism,alt.messianic,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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Where lots of scientists go wrong is after excepting that the big Bang
took place they extrapolate to say that this was the start of the
universe in both space and time.

Just because we have so far not been able to see what happened before
this big bang does not mean that there was nothing.

For all we know big bangs are happening all over the place and
throughout time. Just because we can not see or detect the others (yet)
does not mean we can assume that they did not take place.

Maybe the universe did start with a big bang but it was very unlikely
to have been this current one that we see.

The universe is everything remember. I see no reason to put bounds on
the age or size or dimensions even.

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Old October 23rd 06, 12:13 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.messianic,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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On 22 Oct 2006 20:44:52 -0700, while bungee jumping, "steve"
shouted thusly:


Where lots of scientists go wrong is after excepting that the big Bang
took place they extrapolate to say that this was the start of the
universe in both space and time.

Just because we have so far not been able to see what happened before
this big bang does not mean that there was nothing.

For all we know big bangs are happening all over the place and
throughout time. Just because we can not see or detect the others (yet)
does not mean we can assume that they did not take place.

Maybe the universe did start with a big bang but it was very unlikely
to have been this current one that we see.

The universe is everything remember. I see no reason to put bounds on
the age or size or dimensions even.


You seem to have made a god of the universe.

The universe had a beginning. So now the question is,
who or what began it?

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Old October 23rd 06, 02:39 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.messianic,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:13:47 GMT, Giant Waffle
wrote:
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On 22 Oct 2006 20:44:52 -0700, while bungee jumping, "steve"
shouted thusly:


Where lots of scientists go wrong is after excepting that the big Bang
took place they extrapolate to say that this was the start of the
universe in both space and time.

Just because we have so far not been able to see what happened before
this big bang does not mean that there was nothing.

For all we know big bangs are happening all over the place and
throughout time. Just because we can not see or detect the others (yet)
does not mean we can assume that they did not take place.

Maybe the universe did start with a big bang but it was very unlikely
to have been this current one that we see.

The universe is everything remember. I see no reason to put bounds on
the age or size or dimensions even.


You seem to have made a god of the universe.

The universe had a beginning. So now the question is,
who or what began it?


What is a lower temperature than absolute zero?
What is north of the north pole?
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Old October 23rd 06, 09:19 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:13:47 GMT, Giant Waffle
wrote:

The universe had a beginning.


Evidence?
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Old October 23rd 06, 10:43 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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"Al Klein" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:13:47 GMT, Giant Waffle
wrote:

The universe had a beginning.


Evidence?


Cosmic microwave background radiation, which was
predicted by the big bang theory and has since
been found and mapped. "Big bang" was originally
a pejorative term given to the theory by the
astronomer Fred Hoyle who rejected the theory.
Many astrophysicists and astronomers held
fast to the universe as a steady state
phenomenon that had always existed.

The "conventional" Big Bang theory had the
thing happening, basically, like an explosion,
but that kind of explosion was completely at
odds with the "flatness" of the universe,
which included most especially the evenness
of its thermal distribution. It was Alan
Guth who first proposed the theory of cosmic
inflation, circa 1980 (I could be off by ten
years there, without checking), which posits
a, to say the least, very remarkable period
of "inflation" during which the universe
expands to the size of the observable
universe in an instant, which explains
the equally remarkable evenness, or
flatness, of the universe. Subsequent
satellite data continues to confirm
cosmic inflation.


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Old October 23rd 06, 01:39 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.messianic,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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On 22 Oct 2006 20:44:52 -0700, "steve"
wrote:
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Where lots of scientists go wrong is after excepting that the big Bang
took place they extrapolate to say that this was the start of the
universe in both space and time.

Just because we have so far not been able to see what happened before
this big bang does not mean that there was nothing.

For all we know big bangs are happening all over the place and
throughout time. Just because we can not see or detect the others (yet)
does not mean we can assume that they did not take place.

Maybe the universe did start with a big bang but it was very unlikely
to have been this current one that we see.

The universe is everything remember. I see no reason to put bounds on
the age or size or dimensions even.


What is north of the north pole?
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Old October 23rd 06, 04:23 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.messianic,alt.society.liberalism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.space.policy
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On 22 Oct 2006 20:44:52 -0700, in alt.atheism , "steve"
in
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Where lots of scientists go wrong is after excepting that the big Bang
took place they extrapolate to say that this was the start of the
universe in both space and time.

Just because we have so far not been able to see what happened before
this big bang does not mean that there was nothing.

For all we know big bangs are happening all over the place and
throughout time. Just because we can not see or detect the others (yet)
does not mean we can assume that they did not take place.

Maybe the universe did start with a big bang but it was very unlikely
to have been this current one that we see.

The universe is everything remember. I see no reason to put bounds on
the age or size or dimensions even.


What is north of the North Pole? What is before T = 0?

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