gratitude etc. (was Apollo: One gas environment?)

Ami Silberman wrote:


1. Foods that are unkosher because they are made from dirty animals. (For
instance non-scaly seafood tends to live at the bottom of lakes/rivers.

Note that catfish fall under the probation also; they have no scales.

Pigs
roll in the dirt. Non-flying insects tend to live in the dirt.)


But what the hell are the "winged swarming things that walk on fours" of
Lev. 11:20?
....outside of Pterodactyls, the only other thing I can think of are
bats, and they get mentioned back in 11:19.

2. Foods that are unkosher because the animal was not killed humanely. Note
that for an animal to be killed properly it must suffer the least amount of
pain. Probably associated with this is the prohibition against milk and
meat, which is only present biblically in no stewing a kid in its mother's
milk.


Just think of how our using dead cattle to make feed for other cattle
would go over...

There are probably a confluence


.....at this point Ami's Rabbi knocked on the door, and asked if he was
busy; Ami stated that he was writing a posting to a newsgroup concerning
kosher food.....six hours later Ami knew more about kosher law than
anyone in the neighborhood, and indeed far more than even he had ever
wanted to know.....and the Rabbi had gotten yet another free, and
completely kosher, meal....."Now" the Rabbi thought "....over to Mr.
Steinberg's for a discussion of the kosher status of Scotch whiskey and
cigars...." :-)

Pat

Herb Schaltegger wrote:

In article ,
(Derek Lyons) wrote:

In your scenario, it's the Naval line; 'An officer can be
wrong, but he cannot be indecisive or hesitant'.

In many forms of melee combat (whether involving groups of troops on the
ground, ships at sea wailing at one another with large caliber ordnance,
or in the archetypal aviation dog fight), this axiom works remarkably
well

In my corner of Davy Jones locker, our philosophy was more akin that
of Mission Control: "If you don't know what's going on, don't make
things worse be guessing". Precipitant or ill considered actions in
submarine warfare generally leaves you dead and the field to your
opponent.

**** like that made me glad to be a "wing nut" rather than a "ground
pounder."

Ain't been but one form of ordinance yet invented where the boat
doesn't have the advantage over those who wish it ill.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

OM wrote:

On Fri, 14 May 2004 15:55:05 -0600, Charles Buckley
wrote:


1984 is the book where the opposition is created by the
totalitarian government.


...Actually, that's not *quite* correct. The best way to look at the
world of _1984_, there are three "confirmed"(*) national
"superpowers"(**), and they are all working behind the scenes to keep
the conflict going with an occasional shift in allegiances to keep
enough chaos going to keep the masses "interested". What we see in
Oceania is happening the same exact way over in Eastasia and Eurasa,
and it's all one big scam to keep the masses in control. In fact,
there's even some doubt as to whether the wars are even being
conducted at all, which isn't an insane idea when you consider how
easy it was for Winston Smith to do his job for Miniprop.



Remember that Winston was arrested for joining the opposition.


That was the secondary outlet besides the 3 major governments.
Each government channeled the resistance in the country into
controlled cells.

On Fri, 14 May 2004 15:55:05 -0600, Charles Buckley
wrote:

1984 is the book where the opposition is created by the
totalitarian government.

....Actually, that's not *quite* correct. The best way to look at the
world of _1984_, there are three "confirmed"(*) national
"superpowers"(**), and they are all working behind the scenes to keep
the conflict going with an occasional shift in allegiances to keep
enough chaos going to keep the masses "interested". What we see in
Oceania is happening the same exact way over in Eastasia and Eurasa,
and it's all one big scam to keep the masses in control. In fact,
there's even some doubt as to whether the wars are even being
conducted at all, which isn't an insane idea when you consider how
easy it was for Winston Smith to do his job for Miniprop.

(*) Oceania is Englandland, Eurasia is Russia, Eastasia is China.
Where the US is in the middle of all this is never addressed as Orwell
wanted American readers to contemplate that Oceania *might* be the US
as well. IMHO, I would have expected the US to be isolationist again
and stuck to conquering South America for resources and left the Old
World to eat itself.

(**) This was before the term really had any comprehensible
definition.

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

In article ,
Pat Flannery wrote:

But what the hell are the "winged swarming things that walk on fours" of
Lev. 11:20?
...outside of Pterodactyls, the only other thing I can think of are
bats, and they get mentioned back in 11:19.

Cicadas? You know they're arthropods, don't you? Akin to shrimp and
lobster, and not insects. In preparation for Brood X here, newspapers
are full of "interesting" recipes for the adventurous gourmand.

--
Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D.
Reformed Aerospace Engineer
Columbia Loss FAQ:
http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html

On Fri, 14 May 2004 23:45:29 GMT, (Derek
Lyons) wrote:

Ain't been but one form of ordinance yet invented where the boat
doesn't have the advantage over those who wish it ill.

....Amen, brother!

OM

--

"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

On Fri, 14 May 2004 18:38:11 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Note that catfish fall under the probation also; they have no scales.

....Which should surprise some of my local Jewish friends because they
all go after catfish when they go fishing.

OM

--

"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
...
Where would the world be without bagels, kosher dill pickles, and
chicken soup- the "Jewish Penicillin" for colds?

And just where does Dr. Brown's "Cel-Ray" celery-flavored soda fit into the
kosher list? Many of Dr. Brown's products, particularly the creme soda, are
quite lovely. However, while I have consumed viler things, celery-flavored
soda is rather high on the list of vile things. At least it's better than
farfaru.

"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote
in message ...
On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:01:36 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

What's fascinating about the way the Book of Leviticus is written is
that rather than just listing what you can and cannot eat, it tries to
use a form of logic for what's mentioned, and some underlying reason for
why it's unclean. The idea seems to be devise a set of rules that allow
you to determine the cleanliness of a creature that you have never
encountered before, based on its habits and attributes. So say a Great
Fish vomits you out Jonah-style on the shore of Peru, and you are
hungry...and there's a lama standing there..you can have a gander at
it's feet and feeding habits to determine if you should eat it.
Now if you were somehow transported to Tibet, and there was a Llama
standing there, and his feet were not cloven, nor did he chew the
cud....but he had legs above his feet for jumping, like a locust...

...So, when the Israeli Space Program finally makes a landing on the
8th planet of Beta Centauri, I assume Leviticus will be incorporated
into the Flight Operations Manual for EVA procedures? :-)

Note that, while "eating" does likely eliminate *oral* sex for the above, at
least if the kosher observer is the giver...

In article ,
Pat Flannery writes:


OM wrote:

...Keep in mind, tho, that about 90% of the kosher regs came about in
an attempt to curtail food poisoning and other maladies associated
with improper food preparation.


What's fascinating about the way the Book of Leviticus is written is
that rather than just listing what you can and cannot eat, it tries to
use a form of logic for what's mentioned, and some underlying reason for
why it's unclean. The idea seems to be devise a set of rules that allow
you to determine the cleanliness of a creature that you have never
encountered before, based on its habits and attributes. So say a Great
Fish vomits you out Jonah-style on the shore of Peru, and you are
hungry...and there's a lama standing there..you can have a gander at
it's feet and feeding habits to determine if you should eat it.
Now if you were somehow transported to Tibet, and there was a Llama
standing there, and his feet were not cloven, nor did he chew the
cud....but he had legs above his feet for jumping, like a locust...

ITYM Llama for Peru, and Lama for Tibet, as in "The One-L Lama, he's a
Priest, the Two-L Llama, he's a Beast..."
But then again either/or both may have been on vacation/

According to a Hassidic Rabbi that I worked with, the Lama would,
indeed, be Kosher, under the proper circumstances.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster