Gravity-Bending Find Leads to Kepler Meeting Einstein

On 4/7/13 8:05 PM, John Gogo wrote:
All of our experiments which demonstrate relativity are two-
way, one-clock measures- or a series of them in opposite directions-
there is no way to establish a one-way measure of light because we do
not know what we are looking for.

None of the many gravitational lensing experiments are two-way, John.
Time dilation observations in supernovae are one-way, John.

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On Apr 7, 1:51 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
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On Apr 7, 7:14 am, altergnostic wrote:

"Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"

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http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.ph...lease_2013-124

"" NASA's Kepler space telescope has witnessed the effects of a
dead
star
bending the light of its companion star. The findings are among
the
first
detections of this phenomenon -- a result of Einstein's general
theory
of
relativity -- in binary, or double, star systems..."
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My own eyes have witnessed the the effects of heat bending the
light
of
distant dead ships. The findings are among the first detections
of
this
phenomenon -- a result of refraction -- in binary, or double,
ships..."
http://www.astronomycafe.net/weird/lights/mirage6.jpg
http://www-graphics.stanford.edu/cou...tion/cs348b-05...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...a_Sun_inferior...
http://www.polarimage.fi/mirages/Mirage02.jpg

and the best upside down mirage of all:
http://www.airforceworld.com/fighter...mirage3e_2.jpg

NASA's star wouldn't happen to have a warm coronosphere, would
it?

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When the fools chicken farmer Wilson and Van de faggot present
an
argument I
cannot laugh at I'll retire from usenet.

Bravo.
It is much more elegant to say that the physical geometry of
spacetime
(whatever that means) curved somehow in the presence of the corpse
star,
by
some unnecessary mechanism that bends the path of points with
properties.
Refraction is too vintage, andy. It makes too much sense, you
can't
make
pop documentaries on refraction and expect it to sell! We all have
kids
to
feed, so cut the egocentric utopian crap. This quest for sense and
reason
is poisoning your social abilities, my friend. What do you prefer?
Happy
n-D curvature or straight loneliness?

"Refraction". What a fossil! How do you come up with this stuff?

In the late 17th century, and especially through Newton's agenda,
they
discovered that you could gain a reputation of intellectual
superiority by way of making it appear that you could reduce
complex
astronomical insights into analogies of falling apples,by the early
20th century they discovered that you could not only gain a
reputation
but also make a comfortable living by increasing the level of
nonsense
through highly novel ideas,for instance,the adaptation of H.G. Wells
fictional 'Time Machine' into a formal hypothesis by imitating
Newton.I was at first puzzled why nobody was interested in what
Newton
was actually doing until I realized that contemporaries are less
concerned about their reputations as they are about securing their
salaries and that is what the 'scientific method' boils down to.

The peer review process is not,as some would suppose,a vehicle, for
promoting the 'scientific method,the peer review process is designed
to keep things nonsensical while maintaining the salaries and
reputations of those doing the reviewing.It worked like a charm for
a
century or so but like all ponzi schemes the narrative is now so
unstable and so unrelated to anything observable and physical that
what is actually valid and productive is lost amid novelistic
squalor.

The good news is that astronomy and its insights remain intact amid
the empirical catastrophe with contemporary imaging and especially
time lapse footage which makes the older methods which led to
discovery less relevant,for instance,the resolution of retrogrades
is
so easily understood with a few simple images -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

It also shows that Newton hadn't a clue ,his absolute/relative
time,space and motion definitions are built around an idiosyncratic
version of retrogrades just as Parker (Androcles) here tried to
define
the equinox as zero inclination to the Sun a few days ago -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct,
sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct,..." Newton

From now on it is about integrity,who has it and who doesn't.Of
course
the bandwagon will continue to roll for a long while but eventually
some people will start to enjoy the original methods and insights
that
make astronomy the pinnacle of all other sciences rather than a
dumping ground for theorists.

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"Newton hadn't a clue", but the miserable anonymous thug oriel36
wants us to believe Mary was a virgin and JC fed 5000 fish
sandwiches
to a crowd that didn't bring their own lunch, walked on water and
turned water into wine, all peer-reviewed fairy tales he wants to
dump on an amateur astronomy newsgroup in his bitter whining.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
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When the fools chicken farmer Wilson and Van de faggot present an
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I
cannot laugh at I'll retire from usenet.

It is genuinely funny when a noisy mathematician like yourself
pretends to be an astronomer

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It is genuinely funny when an ignorant ****wit like yourself
pretends to be a Catholic priest. Are you a faggot as well?
Most of them are, JC had twelve rent boys.

You play the part of a drone among bees,
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You play the part of the pig in sheep's clothing among the wolves,
miserable anonymous thug. Pork dinner instead of lamb, but you
taste of pigsty.

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So much for Androcles and his lion king.
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So much for oriel36 and his dead god on a stick.

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Both you guys make me feel that I've gone back to school. I love
Oriel's modern view of past sciences. It is very entertaining- and
the Lord always seems to dish the meaning out. This could become good
literature.
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You do realise Kelleher doesn't know what a sidereal day is and
insists on there being EXACTLY 365.25 days in a year because
Kepler, Flamsteed and Newton were all WRONG, only Kelleher
is right?


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On Apr 7, 11:20*am, oriel36 wrote:

The thing is that you can't make things personal as you do among
yourselves,none of the historical or technical data support the
original late 17th century Royal Society assertions which tried to
impose a clockwork solar system through timekeeping averages, then
call it 'celestial mechanics' and eventually create a high end welfare
state out of these things.

The technical data does indeed support the use of clockwork time as
the basis for predicting the motions of heavenly bodies through
celestial mechanics. This is how both Uranus and Neptune were
*discovered*.

You can ignore facts which disagree with your fanciful theories, but
that does not make them go away.

John Savard

On Apr 8, 2:05*am, John Gogo wrote:

Kepler built a science from a particular point of view. *And it works
well for the most part. *But, science should be the result of viewing
an event with a multitude of experiments and techniques with a
multitude of viewpoints- our "baseline" has always been seriously
lacking. *All of our experiments which demonstrate relativity are two-
way, one-clock measures- or a series of them in opposite directions-
there is no way to establish a one-way measure of light because we do
not know what we are looking for.

The older empiricists couldn't make sense of Newton's absolute/
relative time,space and motion distinctions which turn out to be a
form of double modeling and adrift of the actual astronomical methods
and insights to which they refer.Kepler's insight on planetary periods
and their distance from the Sun is not linked to the insight of
variable orbital speeds yet somehow the late 17th century empiricists
rigged it to make it appear that Kepler's correlation explains
elliptical geometries and variable orbital speed,great if you can get
away with it but contrary to what Kepler himself wrote -

".. that the ratio which exists between the periodic times of any two
planets is precisely the ratio of the 3/2th power of the mean
distances, i.e., of the spheres themselves; provided, however, that
the arithmetic mean between both diameters of the elliptic orbit be
slightly less than the longer diameter." Kepler

This is all well and fine but I am presenting these technical issues
among welfare academics who's sole job is to keep everything contrived
so that they can continue impressing themselves and the wider
population who fund them.How is anyone to know that you can't double
model an observation as Newton tried to do by reworking the resolution
of retrogrades into an absolute space and a hypothetical observer on
the Sun ? -

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five
primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the
earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean
distances from the sun" Newton

"The proportion existing between the periodic times of any two planets
is exactly the sesquiplicate proportion of the mean distances of the
orbits, or as generally given,the squares of the periodic times are
proportional to the cubes of the mean distances." Kepler

There is no mystery to Newton's absolute/relative time,space and
motion as it is infantile in style and execution compared to the
subtleties which the antecedent astronomers had to deal with.I have
explained it many,many times using actual imaging what Newton was
trying to do and why the facility for predicting astronomical events
such as eclipses cannot be used for determining the motions of the
Earth and subsequently the motions of the other planets within the
structure of the solar system.

You can praise and curse relativity until the cows come home but
revisiting what Newton did is a big no-no for the simple reason that
the welfare state is maintained by not dealing with the
obscure,contrived and distorted approach Newton took in trying to
homogenize experimental sciences with planetary dynamics and solar
system structure.

Quadibloc wrote:

Imbecile! Is not the heat. Is the Air doing that refraction to you!

In Russia, light refracts air?

Who told you that? Your ugly momma from Russia?

The hot air is doing the refraction (of light). Imbecile nr 2.