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"Charleston" wrote in message news:VJyxc.6800$fZ1.1208@fed1read03...
"Charleston" wrote: "LaDonna Wyss" wrote:. Correction of previous post. Surely it could not have been caused by the catastrophic failure of the heat shield in multiple locations in the middle of a flash fire that burned and smoldered in the ECU area? "heat shield" should be "aft bulkhead" and "flash fire" should be "aggressive fire" Why should "heat shield" be "aft bulkhead"? The ablative shield surrounds the crew compartment. And as for "flash fire", that's NASA's quote, so take it up with them. |
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"LaDonna Wyss" wrote:
"Charleston" wrote: "LaDonna Wyss" wrote:. Please read to the bottom. Ummm, since you have "worked with electricity for a long time" then you must realize that on a circuit containing such a short, a fire can start at the point of the short, or at any place along that circuit, or in multiple places along the circuit. You are assuming the fire started behind Panel 8 behind or around the A/C roll switch. Why would anyone assume the fire started behinf MDC Panel 8? The physical evidence supports no such conclusion. No response? It did not. (As a side note, have you been to Scott's website and seen the picture of that microswitch? It is clear something rather powerful blew through that circuit.) "Powerful"? and "blew through"? that circuit? The one at S11? You ignored this? This one? http://www.apollo1.info/images/Apollo1microswitch.jpg I see a nice shiny metallic colored switch that is so clean that I can read the word "MICROSWITCH" (black on silver) that is a size 10 font or smaller. I see a toggle switch that was physically on the heat exposed side of the MDC panel 8 that has suffered moderate heat damage. You ignored this? How about this angle? http://www.apollo1.info/Apollo1RearS11Wires.htm Look at those wires. If they are teflon then they melt at about 550º F. You would see soot covered copper if they had been exposed to significant heat. How about the paint? No blistering, no bubbling, no discoloration and once again we can read something too "S11". In fact the photo is good enough that you can actually see where the microswitch front surface touched that paint because there is a bit of soot surrounding that ring. Look closely. You ignored this? Now the proof is always in the control isn't it? So here is a control photograph that proves the S11 toggle switch is no different than its neighbors. http://www.apollo1.info/Apollo1Front...RollSwitch.htm I see some soot laden MDC 8 metal. I also see moderately heat damaged toggle switches. I see words on the sooted MDC Panel 8. I see clean metal behind the switch 11 finger guard. I see a lock washer impression where switch 11 was once installed. Now I don't see any tell-tale discolored metal consistent with overheating, nor white alpha aluminum oxide deposits. I don't see any evidence of molten metal flow. You ignored this? The fire actually started in the +yaw thruster of the Service Module, and the fire started 22 minutes before NASA claims it did. What part of the RCS was energized? Was it the solenoids? What are the solenoids made of? Which ones? Did any metal melt or burn? Aluminum? Stainless steel? This is important. Where did the smoke escape to from this RCS fire? Remember there were a few open Service Module access panels to facilitate ground equipment access. Did anyone witness this aluminum or stainless steel smoking? What about that wiring in the Service Module? Surely it would have smoked up a storm and escaped the Service Module onto the platforms at levels A7 and A8? The ones where the witnesses were working. Let's follow this to a logical conclusion. Please do explain. Again, if you ever find your way to the National Archives, you will find multiple documents discussing fire damage to Sector One of the Service Module, damage technicians were at a loss to explain. Surely it could not have been caused by the catastrophic failure of the heat shield in multple locations in the middle of a flash fire that burned and smoldered in the ECU area? Further, if you get a copy of the voice transcript, you will find that +yaw thruster misfired the first time Gus pulsed it; he was forced to fire it a second time. He did not fire any RCS thrusters LaDonna. The Service Module RCS wasn't even wired to the CM MDC. Neither was the Command Module RCS. Instead NASA wired the Command Module MDC electronics that command the RCS to "load boxes" and "A14-275 quad simulators" right? Or is this inconvenient part of the report just part of the big coverup too? Oh and it's pages 1139-1140 and 1237 if you don't believe me. I am incredulous. You will be more incredulous soon enough. I will be scanning the pages that explain the RCS was not electrically connected to the MDC soon enough. How can you pretend to speak so authoritatively about something you obviously know nothing about? Huh? Me? What do you MEAN Gus didn't fire any RCS thrusters? They were not wired to the Command Module MDC. Do you even know what a Plugs-Out test is? Yes. In fact I do. Do you know what a simulation is? Yes, he DID fire thrusters; No he did not. NASA did not want the RCS solenoids and valves energized. You should ask why. the Rotation Control portion of the Static Fire test demands he do so. He pulsed, in the following order, -pitch, +pitch, -yaw, +yaw, -roll, +roll. Why don't you get out the Crew Checklist, and the voice transcript, and check it out????? Why don't you? I know what Gus did according to the report, but it does not mean that the SM RCS was energized in anyway. Moving a Rotation Control activates only what that circuit is wired too at that moment in time. And how do you know who said what about what? Do you have the voice transcript? You obviously do not, or you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous statement about the thrusters Wrong. The crew DID talk about having their visors open; however, NASA has doctored that transcript so we don't know everything that was said. Okay that is news to me. I thought the Doctors were incompetent. So incompetent that they left a piece of sabotage evidence behind according to you. And yes, I anticipate the question: The reason I know it has been doctored is because there are quotes in Bell Labs voice tape analysis that are not reflected in the transcript. Do go on. No one "stared blankly"; obviously they were trying to conduct a 'sniff test'. I was being sarcastic. Have you never smelled something while driving your car? Never. I know I have; I currently have an emissions problem I need repaired. I hope it is not CO related. I don't pull off to the side of the road and run screaming for the hills, Yes and you are not trapped in a pressure vessel with three hatches locking you in with no other way out either. but when I smell something that resembles smoke or something "hot" I immediately turn off the radio and practically hyperventilate while trying to identify the source. Hmmmm. Nah, I'll let that one go. What "catastrophic failure" do you refer to regarding the heat shield? None, I corrected myself. As for technicians seeing smoke: Have you read their witness statements? Yes, I have. Please cite me a name and page and also what time they saw the smoke? Shouldn't someone have been fired for ignoring such smoke if they saw it before the fire started? Those statements the Review Board conveniently "forgot" to include in their list of statements DO refer to having seen smoke coming from those access panels. When? -- Daniel http://www.challengerdisaster.info Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC |
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:32:33 +0100, "Paul Blay"
wrote: Are Google ID's (as the rnum is being called) even conserved? It's the selm parameter which identifies which post is shown. I had a look and message 164 was ... http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl...e.com&rnum=164 however it only contains one question "Why don't you email him and ask for verification?" ....And to add to the point, "Mesage #164" for me was one of my flames to the ignorant bitch troll from hell. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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On 8 Jun 2004 23:02:55 -0700, (LaDonna Wyss)
wrote: OH FOR FREAKING CHRIST'S SAKE: OK, boys and girls, here it is in first-grade form: You go to the main thread "Apollo One, the FBI, and Scott Grissom". You scroll down to message 164. You read it. You respond to it. ....You really are too ignorant for words to accurately describe. Tell us, LaDip**** - was it your father, your uncle, your brother, your dog, or all four that molested you when you were a child? OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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On 8 Jun 2004 22:52:54 -0700, (LaDonna Wyss)
wrote: You people don't even know the difference between a "report" and a freaking letter! ....And you don't know the truth from that gerbil stuffed up your ass. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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On 8 Jun 2004 22:42:23 -0700, (LaDonna Wyss)
wrote: Shut the hell up about Betty. She's had quite enough grief in 37 1/2 years of NASA bull****. ....For which *we* are now getting punished for, natch. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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On 9 Jun 2004 07:11:10 -0700, (LaDonna Wyss)
wrote: How can you pretend to speak so authoritatively about something you obviously know nothing about? ....Pot. Kettle. Maxson. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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On 9 Jun 2004 07:11:10 -0700, (LaDonna Wyss)
wrote: I currently have an emissions problem I need repaired. ....Boy, if this isn't an understatement of the problem, I dunno what is. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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