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RFD: Inclusion of paywalled articles in sci.space.tech
Greg,
I'd like to have a group-wide discussion concerning the inclusion of pay-wa lled articles to sci.space.tech. The worst offender appears to be those tha t include links to articles in Aviation Week. Outside of the headline of the article, these postings contain only a link to an article that is behind a pay-wall. As a non-subscriber to Aviation We ek, these links do me absolutely no good. In essence because these posts re quire a subscription in order to be read, and are otherwise devoid of conte nt, I contend these articles are, in effect, a violation of USENET rules re garding posting of articles whose sole purpose is to promote the sale of a commercial product (i.e. spam). It would be different if the posted article s contained the content of the article, but they do not. Therefore I question the legitimacy of these postings. Might as well includ e breakfast cereal ads for all the good they do. Note that this is *not* the case for those summary articles from Yahoo news and other sources whose links are not behind pay-walls. I have no issue wi th those. Overall I laud the intent of trying to make these groups more rel evant to the readers by including such articles. But articles pro-offering pay-walled links are not helpful. I suggest they be removed. Dave |
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RFD: Inclusion of paywalled articles in sci.space.tech
"David Spain" wrote in message
... Greg, I'd like to have a group-wide discussion concerning the inclusion of pay-wa lled articles to sci.space.tech. The worst offender appears to be those tha t include links to articles in Aviation Week. Thanks for the feedback. I think this is a valid issue to discuss and am welcome further input. I will refrain my giving my opinion until I get more feedback. Outside of the headline of the article, these postings contain only a link to an article that is behind a pay-wall. As a non-subscriber to Aviation We ek, these links do me absolutely no good. In essence because these posts re quire a subscription in order to be read, and are otherwise devoid of conte nt, I contend these articles are, in effect, a violation of USENET rules re garding posting of articles whose sole purpose is to promote the sale of a commercial product (i.e. spam). It would be different if the posted article s contained the content of the article, but they do not. Therefore I question the legitimacy of these postings. Might as well includ e breakfast cereal ads for all the good they do. Note that this is *not* the case for those summary articles from Yahoo news and other sources whose links are not behind pay-walls. I have no issue wi th those. Overall I laud the intent of trying to make these groups more rel evant to the readers by including such articles. But articles pro-offering pay-walled links are not helpful. I suggest they be removed. Dave -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net |
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RFD: Inclusion of paywalled articles in sci.space.tech
On 7/25/2014 6:39 PM, Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:
"David Spain" wrote in message ... Greg, I'd like to have a group-wide discussion concerning the inclusion of pay-walled articles to sci.space.tech. The worst offender appears to be those that include links to articles in Aviation Week. Thanks for the feedback. I think this is a valid issue to discuss and am welcome further input. I will refrain my giving my opinion until I get more feedback. Also in all fairness I should note that not ALL of the Aviation Week links are to pay-walled articles. But a significant number of them are. Again, I have no issue with links to non pay-walled articles appearing in sci.space.tech. I understand that with the automated nature of these postings it might be difficult for the moderators to filter based on the result of following links. If that's the case, it would still be my preference that the articles not be posted at all, in keeping with the open nature of USENET. Thanks Greg for the consideration, David Spain |
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RFD: Inclusion of paywalled articles in sci.space.tech
On 07/25/2014 5:14 PM, David Spain wrote:
Greg, I'd like to have a group-wide discussion concerning the inclusion of pay-wa lled articles to sci.space.tech. The worst offender appears to be those tha t include links to articles in Aviation Week. Outside of the headline of the article, these postings contain only a link to an article that is behind a pay-wall. As a non-subscriber to Aviation We ek, these links do me absolutely no good. In essence because these posts re quire a subscription in order to be read, and are otherwise devoid of conte nt, I contend these articles are, in effect, a violation of USENET rules re garding posting of articles whose sole purpose is to promote the sale of a commercial product (i.e. spam). It would be different if the posted article s contained the content of the article, but they do not. Therefore I question the legitimacy of these postings. Might as well includ e breakfast cereal ads for all the good they do. Note that this is *not* the case for those summary articles from Yahoo news and other sources whose links are not behind pay-walls. I have no issue wi th those. Overall I laud the intent of trying to make these groups more rel evant to the readers by including such articles. But articles pro-offering pay-walled links are not helpful. I suggest they be removed. I completely agree with Dave. These links to articles behind a pay-wall are probably not interesting to those who are subscribed and can go behind the pay-wall, as having subscribed probably means the person will look at the headlines of the magazine whether posted to sci.space.tech or not. And to those who haven't subscribed, these postings are just commercial adds (spam). Also as Dave said, for articles that aren't behind a pay-wall, no problem. Alain Fournier |
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Inclusion of paywalled articles in sci.space.tech
I apologize for not responding sooner, but lost my personal connection to
newsgroups. I'd like to continue this discussion. I'll admit, I don't spend much time when approving the linked article recaps (i.e. I see the subject a few lines, make sure it's not a spammer and generally approve.) I did automate one (and I'd have to recheck which one it is, I think it's the one ironically enough doing the AvWeek ones. I'll ask a favor, if someone can point out a few of the articles in the recent days in question, I'll take a closer look. I think this is a valid issue and worth looking at further. Next step, getting folks to actually DISCUSS things here :-) (well besides this). "Alain Fournier" wrote in message ... On 07/25/2014 5:14 PM, David Spain wrote: Greg, I'd like to have a group-wide discussion concerning the inclusion of pay-wa lled articles to sci.space.tech. The worst offender appears to be those tha t include links to articles in Aviation Week. Outside of the headline of the article, these postings contain only a link to an article that is behind a pay-wall. As a non-subscriber to Aviation We ek, these links do me absolutely no good. In essence because these posts re quire a subscription in order to be read, and are otherwise devoid of conte nt, I contend these articles are, in effect, a violation of USENET rules re garding posting of articles whose sole purpose is to promote the sale of a commercial product (i.e. spam). It would be different if the posted article s contained the content of the article, but they do not. Therefore I question the legitimacy of these postings. Might as well includ e breakfast cereal ads for all the good they do. Note that this is *not* the case for those summary articles from Yahoo news and other sources whose links are not behind pay-walls. I have no issue wi th those. Overall I laud the intent of trying to make these groups more rel evant to the readers by including such articles. But articles pro-offering pay-walled links are not helpful. I suggest they be removed. I completely agree with Dave. These links to articles behind a pay-wall are probably not interesting to those who are subscribed and can go behind the pay-wall, as having subscribed probably means the person will look at the headlines of the magazine whether posted to sci.space.tech or not. And to those who haven't subscribed, these postings are just commercial adds (spam). Also as Dave said, for articles that aren't behind a pay-wall, no problem. Alain Fournier -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net |
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Inclusion of paywalled articles in sci.space.tech
On 8/29/2014 11:06 PM, Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:
I apologize for not responding sooner, but lost my personal connection to newsgroups. I'd like to continue this discussion. I'll admit, I don't spend much time when approving the linked article recaps (i.e. I see the subject a few lines, make sure it's not a spammer and generally approve.) I did automate one (and I'd have to recheck which one it is, I think it's the one ironically enough doing the AvWeek ones. I'll ask a favor, if someone can point out a few of the articles in the recent days in question, I'll take a closer look. I think this is a valid issue and worth looking at further. Next step, getting folks to actually DISCUSS things here :-) (well besides this). :-) Hi Greg, No problem, sorry didn't respond sooner. This came in the day I was extremely busy at the day job getting ready for this week. Which is vacation week for me! Wahoo! As such, this evening while catching up on unread items newsy, I saw your post. In some ways I think it very fortunate for us that AvWeek postings are automated! This gives us (well you actually :-) a fighting chance perhaps. Can your automation follow the link it wishes to post prior to actually posting? If so you can search for the returned URL containing a substring? The actual substring in question contains the chars: "awin.aviationweek.com/AWINLogin"... This seems to be their universal paywall redirect URL and in consistent in the extreme. Here's a case in point based on AvWeek traffic that came in on the same day as your posting. I'm pasting two URLs. The one that was sent out in the automated posting to this newsgroup and the paywall URL to which it is re-directed: Article URL: /////////////////////////////////////////// Opinion: Moon Is Next Step Toward Mars Posted: 01 Sep 2014 01:22 PM PDT http://aviationweek.com/space/opinio...ep-toward-mars Re-direct URL: http://awin.aviationweek.com/AWINLog...d-515e898fae9d Unfortunately there appears no clue given in the posted URL that indicates that this link is paywalled. However, clearly once that link is traversed the subsequent URL that appears in my browser is quite clear. Greg, can your auto posting software handle two-level URL inspection? How does it harvest articles for reposting today? Is this through an RSS feed? Dave |
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