CARL SAGAN ON THE HINDU TIME SCALE

Hinduism Today
August 1999

Got the Time?

According to astrophysicist Carl
Sagan, the age of the universe is
somewhere around 12-billion-years-
old. The Hindu tradition has a day
and night of Brahma in this range,
somewhere in the region of 8.4
billion years. Dr. Sagan said, "As
far as I know, India is the only
ancient religious tradition on the
Earth which talks about the right
time scale. In the West, people have
the sense that what is natural is for
the universe to be a few thousand
years old, and that it is billions of
years is mind-reeling, and no one can
understand it. The Hindu concept is
very clear. Here is a great world
culture which has always talked about
billions of years."

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Hinduism Today
August 1999

Got the Time?

According to astrophysicist Carl
Sagan, the age of the universe is
somewhere around 12-billion-years-
old. The Hindu tradition has a day
and night of Brahma in this range,
somewhere in the region of 8.4
billion years. Dr. Sagan said, "As
far as I know, India is the only
ancient religious tradition on the
Earth which talks about the right
time scale. In the West, people have
the sense that what is natural is for
the universe to be a few thousand
years old, and that it is billions of
years is mind-reeling, and no one can
understand it. The Hindu concept is
very clear. Here is a great world
culture which has always talked about
billions of years."

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Jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc., posts this from time to time but it is
still irrelevant to real science. Sagan would be turning in his grave
to see his off hand comment used in this way as he did not accept any
religion, he strongly rejected any religious explanation of any thing in
fact and would have laughed in the face of jay stevens..

He was only making the point that every day ideas of time etc. are
relative to the culture one happens to have been born as an accident of
which parents we chose. Many cultures have an infinite, or almost so,
historical time depth so sagan could have just as easily used any of
them as an example. He could have used the mayan culture of latin
america which has a greater time depth in their traditional history
stories then do the cultures of s. asia.

wrote:
Jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc., posts this from time to time but it is
still irrelevant to real science. Sagan would be turning in his grave
to see his off hand comment used in this way as he did not accept any
religion, he strongly rejected any religious explanation of any thing in
fact and would have laughed in the face of jay stevens..

He was only making the point that every day ideas of time etc. are
relative to the culture one happens to have been born as an accident of
which parents we chose. Many cultures have an infinite, or almost so,
historical time depth so sagan could have just as easily used any of
them as an example. He could have used the mayan culture of latin
america which has a greater time depth in their traditional history
stories then do the cultures of s. asia.

Apparently not, according to this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7090839AAqUom9
A millennium before Europeans were wiling to divest themselves of the
Biblical idea that the world was a few thousand years old, the Mayans were
thinking of millions and the Hindus billions.
- Carl Sagan

"Apparently not, according to this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7090839AAqUom9
A millennium before Europeans were wiling to divest themselves of the
Biblical idea that the world was a few thousand years old, the Mayans
were
thinking of millions and the Hindus billions."

I stand corrected about the mayan example. Many traditions have an
infinite time depth because they have no calendars based on large cycles
which the s. asian and mayan examples produce. Without cycles
projection of time backwards is meaningless.

But the important truth is that neither time tradition has scientific
validity because the cycle idea imposes on time something that creates
an artifact of time depth that does not exist in science.

The currently accepted idea of time is that it had a beginning and moves
in one direction only which excludes cycles except as a traditional
story about time invented by observing the cycles of the year and
imposing a larger cycle on time. This is what sagan would say if he
were to have been asked about the s. asian and mayan calendars.

He would have laughed off any religious connotation about either
religion of both cultures, that remains the core point about jay
steven's,aka dr. jai etc., use of sagan in support of hinduism.

Johnny Judas Jay "the jackass jyoti****head" Maharaj wrote:

Hinduism Today
August 1999

Got the Time?

According to astrophysicist Carl
Sagan, the age of the universe is
somewhere around 12-billion-years-
old. The Hindu tradition has a day
and night of Brahma in this range,
somewhere in the region of 8.4
billion years. Dr. Sagan said, "As
far as I know, India is the only
ancient religious tradition on the
Earth which talks about the right
time scale. In the West, people have
the sense that what is natural is for
the universe to be a few thousand
years old, and that it is billions of
years is mind-reeling, and no one can
understand it. The Hindu concept is
very clear. Here is a great world
culture which has always talked about
billions of years."

First of all, the "day and night of Brahma" is a "hinduism today"
invention. One day of Brahma is equal to 4,320 million years. The fact
that this "day" is equivalent to "day and night" is borne out by the
fact that a "month of Brahmas" is 30, and that a universal year is 12
months. We are supposed to be 50 years into the 100 years of a Universal
cycle, which equate to the current age of the universe(or this
particular cycle of the universe) being 216 billion years, a far cry
from Sagan's estimate of 12-15 billion.

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
Hinduism Today
August 1999

Got the Time?

According to astrophysicist Carl
Sagan, the age of the universe is
somewhere around 12-billion-years-
old. The Hindu tradition has a day
and night of Brahma in this range,
somewhere in the region of 8.4
billion years. Dr. Sagan said, "As
far as I know, India is the only
ancient religious tradition on the
Earth which talks about the right
time scale. In the West, people have
the sense that what is natural is for
the universe to be a few thousand
years old, and that it is billions of
years is mind-reeling, and no one can
understand it.

Because Carl Sagan and his nuclear swummer-winter
dynasty can't understand it, doesn't other people have
that much problem with it.
Since the universe that people use in the west
is not same LOGICAL universe, and the one
Sagan is rambling about concerning ancient folk-lore.

Since as we know the poltnesians were much
more accurate with their time scale, since their
time scale reflects the Australian oral traditions
accurately, which is far more uncanny than
being in the right ballpark, concerning
what amounts to simply carbon-dating
and filing everything.







The Hindu concept is
very clear. Here is a great world
culture which has always talked about
billions of years."

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