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That "Earth-like" planet 490 light years away. SO WHAT?
On Saturday, May 10, 2014 4:49:34 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2014 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote: Having forgotten to bring it with them, the colonists might not be carrying the baggage of socialism and tyranny. One thing seems virtually certain, and that is the culture on a generation ship would be something like communism- a system that demonstrably works very well with small societies. Humans naturally gravitate towards a system of free enterprise; it is communism (socialism) that is the perversion. Communism (socialism) doesn't work "very well" anywhere, although it might be tolerated among some groups whose members don't know any better. |
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That "Earth-like" planet 490 light years away. SO WHAT?
On Friday, May 9, 2014 9:55:18 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
No technology is ever going to make it practical to send people to other stars, and frankly, why would we really want to? Well, such people would be well out of the reach of madmen and terrorists with nuclear warheads and intercontinental ballistic missiles. Earth is a dangerous and crowded place. Thus, if humans could travel from star system to star system, at least somewhere in the universe, there would be humans who would be free. That's one reason. Another is that because taking care of children is a task that requires a lot of effort, Nature has arranged for women to _like_ being around small children. Hence, if men are to get what _they_ want, they need to engineer the circumstances under which what women can get what they want. It would have been so much more practical if contraception, something science has already achieved, could have been used to achieve a sustainable world where every human would have enough to eat and enough room to live properly. But it is vain to regret what we cannot change, so we must go on to solve problems in the ways that are available. John Savard |
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On Saturday, May 10, 2014 1:25:42 AM UTC-6, Martin Brown wrote:
Same issue applies to certain difficult computational problems as a result of Moore's law the fastest way to get an answer is to sit on a beach for 18 months until the hardware is up to the task in hand! Since stuff only doubles in 18 months, you would need a very big problem. Actually, though, you might as well get as much work done as possible while waiting. To get a true statement, you need to replace 'fastest' with 'cheapest'. John Savard |
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On Sun, 11 May 2014 06:33:10 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
wrote: Well, such people would be well out of the reach of madmen and terrorists with nuclear warheads and intercontinental ballistic missiles. Earth is a dangerous and crowded place. I disagree. If our social nature is still so primitive that we have madmen and terrorists and weapons of mass destruction, it's quite certain that those things will be taken with any space colonists. Earth is only crowded and dangerous because humans are barely able to survive as technological beings. If we can't fix that, sending a few people to other stars will serve no purpose. Thus, if humans could travel from star system to star system, at least somewhere in the universe, there would be humans who would be free. I don't know about "free". After all, freedom may not be the best way for a species to survive. And after a short time, they wouldn't even be human anymore. Once a species is geographically segregated, the different groups diverge. Within a few thousands of years each separate colony would constitute different species. |
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On Sun, 11 May 2014 04:38:58 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You have very little concept of what may be possible or practical in the relatively near future. You would have declared space travel to be impossible had you lived only in the nineteenth century. I think my understanding of both the technology of spaceflight, as well as the social limitations of humans, is so far beyond yours that your comments are laughable. |
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wrote in message ... wsnell01 wrote: Hippies were mostly born in the '40s and early '50s, and not all of them wore long hair and beads. They did seem interested in drugs. peterson wrote: Like I said, not me. Your age group and attitude places you squarely among the hippies, ================================================== ========= You have that exactly wrong, hippy w****01, you have the contrary attitude. -- Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway |
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On Friday, May 9, 2014 12:11:23 AM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
What good is it? With current Apollo-derived rocket technology, it would take what, 3.5 MILLION years to get to it? IF they'd kept Project Orion going and kept up development, they could get there in about 600 years. Perhaps way better yet is the recent discovery of an entire solar system that's likely similar or a bit more substantial to that of our solar system. http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/n...other%E2%80%99 "The solar sibling his team identified is called HD 162826, a star 15 percent more massive than the sun, located 110 light-years away in the constellation Hercules. The star is not visible to the unaided eye but easily can be seen with low-power binoculars, not far from the bright star Vega." However, for every solar system planet, planetoid and/or moon, there's likely at least ten rogue, and/or another tend thousandfold items if you'd care to include what red dwarfs and especially brown dwarfs have associated with their much smaller and cooler type of low-mass star or super-gas giants that can be found in solar systems or as nomad/rogue coexisting just about everywhere, including a few million of numerous solar systems with assorted planets headed our way at 300+ km/sec. So what if we can't go really fast and thus not far. Last time I'd checked, our moon and Venus were each really nearby, each offering a treasure trove of common and rare elements, and especially offering an ultimate failsafe kind of lifeboat once we've gotten into exploiting the innards of our moon.. In other words, where's the down side? |
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