Basic human right

It is a basic human right that children be taught that the Earth turns
once in a day and 1461 times in 1461 days/4 years.

I do not complain that in an era where empiricism directs the UN ,it
promotes an ideology that is contrary to that known correspondence
between the 24 hour day and daily rotation in attempting to obliterate
the AM/PM rotational signatures with faulty right ascension reasoning.

None of you are ashamed of what you are doing even when a way out is
offered,not a cringing humiliation but something which students and
interested adults can use.

Human rights indeed !,the organization is breaking its own charter
without even knowing it.

On Nov 1, 12:22*pm, oriel36 wrote:
It is a basic human right that children be taught that the Earth turns
once in a day and 1461 times in 1461 days/4 years.

It is a basic human right to be taught the truth.

I'm sure that children do get exposed to the oversimplified idea of
the Earth turning once a day.

As I've repeatedly explained, though, since the Equation of Time is
due to the difference between the Earth's actual orbit, and a perfect
circle in the plane of the Earth's equator, the advance and retreat of
the sundial compared to uniform (clock) time is due to the addition of
motions - not due to an actual speeding up or slowing down of the
Earth's rotation.

It may be "empricism" in your view to require a definition of
"rotation" that excludes speeding up or slowing down (unless a
specific cause, such as seasonal winds exists) from the rotation of so
heavy a body of the Earth... but the rights of children are not
violated by giving them an understanding of the motions of the Earth
that makes those motions clear and simple to understand.

Of course, most children in school _are_ instead being told to accept
that the Earth rotates in 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds, without
being told *why* this is so, and so they are left puzzled as to why
the Earth's rotation isn't 24 hours, as would seem to make more sense
from the naive point of view.

So, while I disagree with you about the truth of the Earth's motions,
that the rights of children to an education which leads to
understanding - instead of being told to memorize facts on mere
authority - _are_ being violated... is something I agree with. Even
though my initial reaction to your post was that it was hyperbole...

John Savard

On 11/1/11 3:22 PM, oriel36 wrote:
It is a basic human right that children be taught that the Earth turns
once in a day and 1461 times in 1461 days/4 years.

No, no, no, you don't want to teach children bad astronomy, Gerald.
Just because you can't learn, does not give you the right to impose
your ignorance on others (including children).

On Nov 2, 6:19*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 11/1/11 3:22 PM, oriel36 wrote:

It is a basic human right that children be taught that the Earth turns
once in a day and 1461 times in 1461 days/4 years.

* *No, no, no, you don't want to teach children bad astronomy, Gerald..
* *Just because you can't learn, does not give you the right to impose
* *your ignorance on others (including children).

It is criminal incompetence to maintain any correspondence other than
1461 rotations in 1461 days within the confines of the 4 year system
which equates to 4 orbital circuits of the Earth,the fact that the
highest arbitration body on the planet ( United Nations) subscribes to
empiricism and the ugly right ascension generated 1465 rotations in
1461 days is an assault on human rights as any child should,without
hesitation,receive an education based on the facts that the Earth is
round,rotating and the correct number of rotations assigned to an
orbital circuit through the AM/PM signatures of that rotation.It is
shown that 1461 rotations for 4 orbital circuits reduces to 365 1/4
rotations to 1 orbital circuit.

Empiricists never get the point,that is a symptom of their
indoctrination, but when you cannot correlate daily temperature
fluctuations with the rotation of the Earth in a day and 1461 times in
1461 days you have bigger problems than carbon dioxide and global
climate.

Bad astronomy indeed !,I have found readers to be barely sentient and
to think that people would rather live with cringing humiliation than
actually alter their views is one of the worst signs of all.

On 2 Nov., 19:39, oriel36 wrote:
is one of the worst signs of all.

I wonder whether there will soon build a concensus which denies
crackpots and trolls the right to bore others senseless while online?
Presumably this will rapidly follow registration of all users. The end
of online anonymity cannot be far off in the Western World. (blamed on
security reasons when cyber crime becomes completely intolerable) No
doubt countries, where freedom is a rare commodity, will rapidly
develop software which will deny _any_ citizen real anonymity. Your
days must be numbered. But they won't be factors of 365 or 1541. Nor
any other drooling idiocy you might invent for your own amusement.

On Nov 3, 2:58*am, "Chris.B" wrote:

I wonder whether there will soon build a concensus which denies
crackpots and trolls the right to bore others senseless while online?

If Internet freedom is taken away for reasons like this, it will be
more because of spammers than cranks and crackpots.

John Savard

On Nov 3, 10:14*pm, Quadibloc wrote:

If Internet freedom is taken away for reasons like this, it will be
more because of spammers than cranks and crackpots.

John Savard

One can only assume that spammers are tolerated for some reason which
is not openly expressed by the international security community.
Little is allowed on this planet which does not suit the purposes of
the "powers that be" in one way or another. A cynic would point to
arms sales as the reason for tolerating much that occurs here in the
real world.

Quite what the profit angle is for tolerating the present "Wild West"
nature of massive, online illegal activity is more difficult to
identify. There seems to be no real attempt to police online criminal
activity directly via ISPs. Therefore, there must be something else
driving the present high levels of criminal tolerance.

Why is it not made illegal for ISPs to allow users online who have no
anti-virus software or a firewall? It would seem harmless enough for
the online community to have basic protection. Why was the high level
of corruptibility of Winders OS allowed to continue for so long? How
could the international community tolerate a monopolistic Achilles
heel in such a vital and critical means of global communication and
commerce?

Is it simply the international "borderless" nature of the www which
denies the usual global powers the ability to wield their might? Why
is there such an outcry when any nation's politicooze suggest taking a
criminal recidivist off-line? It is not as if ordering a pizza online
is the only way they can possibly feed themselves.

A basic human right? Over a billion human beings have no basic human
right to food and shelter! Nobody is dumping free i-Macs and broadband
connections on them with their handout bowls of gruel!

The adjustment to the explanation for the seasons by refocusing
attention on what the polar latitudes are doing in acting like a
beacon for the orbital behavior of the Earth is no more difficult
than looking at the rotation of the Earth and its separate day and
night cycle.

The polar coordinates will turn through the circle of illumination at
the orbital point of the equinoxes just as the polar coordinates of
Uranus did in 2007 -

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

I am truly at a loss for what I could or could not do to make this any
clearer in replacing 'tilt' with the more accessible orbital cycle and
in view of all the information we have today compared to the era of
Copernicus when they would not necessarily have considered what
happens at the polar latitudes whereas nowadays people reside there
even if for research purposes -

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/obop/spo/livecamera.html

Yes it is a basic human right for students to receive the best
possible information and education and yes,what happened was a tragedy
in the attempt to shift the AM/PM rotational signatures to RA within
the confines of 4 years/4 orbital circuits however the continuation of
this tragedy is preventable by whatever effort necessary.There is no
worse tyranny than slavery whether physical or intellectual and each
person owes it to their families,communities ,nation and humanity
itself to stop and put basic planetary facts first rather than self-
serving ends.If people are continuing to do what they do for fear of
their jobs or reputations they need only adjust to a more productive
perspective and put past errors behind them.

There are some days where only prayer can ease the sense of irritation
at normally intelligent people who choose to follow something so cruel
that it is almost unspeakable so just accept the 1461 rotations in
1461 days/4 years and get on with improving life for all humans
instead of diminishing it.

On Nov 4, 10:00*pm, the chump scribbled:

There are some days where only prayer can ease the sense of irritation

"SPINNING DERVISH PLEADS RELIGIOUS HYPOCRISY IN DEFENCE AGAINST LATEST
GRAFFITI CHARGE!"

oriel36 wrote:
The adjustment to the explanation for the seasons by refocusing
attention on what the polar latitudes are doing in acting like a
beacon for the orbital behavior of the Earth is no more difficult
than looking at the rotation of the Earth and its separate day and
night cycle.

The polar coordinates will turn through the circle of illumination at
the orbital point of the equinoxes just as the polar coordinates of
Uranus did in 2007 -

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

I am truly at a loss for what I could or could not do to make this any
clearer in replacing 'tilt' with the more accessible orbital cycle and
in view of all the information we have today compared to the era of
Copernicus when they would not necessarily have considered what
happens at the polar latitudes whereas nowadays people reside there
even if for research purposes -

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/obop/spo/livecamera.html

Yes it is a basic human right for students to receive the best
possible information and education and yes,what happened was a tragedy
in the attempt to shift the AM/PM rotational signatures to RA within
the confines of 4 years/4 orbital circuits however the continuation of
this tragedy is preventable by whatever effort necessary.There is no
worse tyranny than slavery whether physical or intellectual and each
person owes it to their families,communities ,nation and humanity
itself to stop and put basic planetary facts first rather than self-
serving ends.If people are continuing to do what they do for fear of
their jobs or reputations they need only adjust to a more productive
perspective and put past errors behind them.

There are some days where only prayer can ease the sense of irritation
at normally intelligent people who choose to follow something so cruel
that it is almost unspeakable so just accept the 1461 rotations in
1461 days/4 years and get on with improving life for all humans
instead of diminishing it.

Self pitying rubbish.
You would like to be the founder of a cult but unfortunately a cult needs
followers.
Why has nobody been persuaded by your arguments?
Because you are wrong!
You have dug yourself into a hole and keep digging deeper. You have to deny
more and more easily verified science. You keep quoting Galileo's arguments
against people like you and don't understand that every quote shows how
wrong you are.
When you pray try asking your God to give you humility and understanding.
Then he may forgive you for trying, in your misplaced pride, to ruin the
lives of children by making them misunderstand His creation.