Could Kistler's K1 carry people

Given that the Kistler K1 is designed to be fully reusable, and that
6 g's is the maximum g-force for both ascent and re-entry, is there any
particular reason that the K1 could not carry people?



-- Larry Gales

3 It ain't going to get off the ground. That's the main one.
BRBR

It probably has as good a chance as the OSP


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"MattWriter" wrote in message
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3 It ain't going to get off the ground. That's the main one.
BRBR

It probably has as good a chance as the OSP

Hmmmm, not sure if you're joking or not.

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Its *price* per flight is 20-30 times less than the shuttle, its
*cost* per flight is 80-100 times less than the shuttle, its price and
cost per pound are significantly less than any other vehicle of similar
performance, and its reliability should well exceed that of any existing
launch vehicle because its is fully reusable and yet vastly simpler than
the shuttle.

It has never flown and none of the recovery systems have been put through a
full-scale test. Dodgy at best until it has flown a couple of missions -
similar, in my opinion, to the shuttle.


It credibility is high because of its conservative technology,

It's credibility is _low_ as it has never been used - see above. More than
that, the engines are 1960's Russian 'cast-offs' that were rebuilt (by
Aerojet if I remember correctly) - this means a reduced U.S. content and
lower publicity value - imagine U.S. astronauts relying on a 'Ruskie'
system. This is why D IV Heavy is going to be the winner in the OSP program
should that be continued and with U.S. experiences in this area in recent
years (X-33, Delta Clipper etc ad infinitum), it's not a dead cert.

the state
of its development, and the people who are doing it: a select subset of
those people who took us to the moon and back who came out of
retirement for this project headed by Dr. George Mueller
who was the head of manned spaceflight in the Apollo/Skylab era.

Ahhh, the OSP: now *there* is a real joke.

Me thinks Boeing will be the one's laughing on this: all the way to the
bank. They've got the right launcher at the right time, regardless of the
'indiscretions' with LockMart's paperwork. One other possible winner will be
Orbital with it's design for the actual space plane; I doubt that both
vehicles (launcher and OSP) will come from one stable.
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MattWriter wrote:
It probably has as good a chance as the OSP

Hmmmm, not sure if you're joking or not. BRBR

I wish I was. Our national record of carrying off complex space technology
projects is not so good in the last couple of decades.

It may be coincidence, but American launch technology atleast seemed to
go downhill slightly about the same time that Von Braun died. It's not
that it was really bad after that, but it's probably that nobody had the
combination of charisma, brilliance, wisdom and influence that he did.

I read somewhere that Von Braun was asked what he thought about the
Shuttle plans. He said he thought it should be smaller. Don't know
whether he would have approved of the OSP designs, but it's not impossible.

Me, I think the shuttle is about 10x too big; you'd be better off
launching 10x more often to launch the same amount of stuff and catch
the economies of scale.

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Ian Woollard wrote:

I read somewhere that Von Braun was asked what he thought about the
Shuttle plans. He said he thought it should be smaller. Don't know
whether he would have approved of the OSP designs, but it's not impossible.

One of VB's germans had this to say of the shuttle: 'they've reinvented
the wheel -- and made it square.'

Paul

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:02:10 -0500, in a place far, far away, "Paul F.
Dietz" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

One of VB's germans had this to say of the shuttle: 'they've reinvented
the wheel -- and made it square.'

After the first world war, when the Germans came over to view the
British airships, they said "you copied us, even to our mistakes..."

Is that accurate, I'm sure I've heard that attributed to several sources?

Not that I don't believe it, Nevil Shute's autobiography has, as I recall,
some great airship stuff.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:49:37 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
"Dave" made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:02:10 -0500, in a place far, far away, "Paul F.
Dietz" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

One of VB's germans had this to say of the shuttle: 'they've reinvented
the wheel -- and made it square.'

After the first world war, when the Germans came over to view the
British airships, they said "you copied us, even to our mistakes..."

Is that accurate, I'm sure I've heard that attributed to several sources?

Not that I don't believe it, Nevil Shute's autobiography has, as I recall,
some great airship stuff.

I got it from Sliderule.

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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:49:37 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
"Dave" made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:02:10 -0500, in a place far, far away, "Paul F.
Dietz" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

One of VB's germans had this to say of the shuttle: 'they've
reinvented
the wheel -- and made it square.'

After the first world war, when the Germans came over to view the
British airships, they said "you copied us, even to our mistakes..."

Is that accurate, I'm sure I've heard that attributed to several sources?

Not that I don't believe it, Nevil Shute's autobiography has, as I
recall,
some great airship stuff.

I got it from Sliderule.

Ah, that would be why it looked familiar :-)

One of VB's germans had this to say of the shuttle: 'they've
reinvented
the wheel -- and made it square.'

Is there a source for this quotation?

Thanks,


Matt Bille
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