Opportunity toaster:( has traveled 22 mars miles

"bob haller" wrote in message
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crews gone that long, so far from earth are going to have big problems
with both physical and mental condition.. whats the longest time in
space up till now? around a year?

Mentally, really? Seriously?

How the hell did crews on whaling ships survive when they were away from
home for nearly similar periods?

Today crews will have more contact back home than even the Apollo crews did.
Mentally is one of the last things I'm worried about.


Physically may be an issue due to zero-g and low-g, but honestly:
a) That's risk they're willing to take
b) If you're really worried, spin the transit craft.





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"bob haller" wrote in message
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my point which you ignore lots of probes have gone many places where
there are no plans to send humans, like pluto, mercury, venus, saturn,
and ut of the soar system.

fred you bogusly claim the only reason to send missions are if humans
will follow.


No Bob, that's NOT what Fred said. He said the reason we're sending the
probes we are sending to MARS is as a precursor to humans.

It's much the same reason Surveyor (and others) were sent to the Moon.
While it's quite possible we might have done some lunar science for the pure
sake of lunar science, their main purpose was to pave the way for Apollo.

Note how many lunar science missions followed after Apollo. NONE for nearly
3 decades.

Apollo was the reason for Surveyor.


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On Feb 4, 11:14*am, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
"bob haller" *wrote in message
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crews gone that long, so far from earth are going to have big problems
with both physical and mental condition.. whats the longest time in
space up till now? around a year?

Mentally, really? *Seriously?

yep dimentia from deep space radiation exposure bob



How the hell did crews on whaling ships survive when they were away from
home for nearly similar periods?

Today crews will have more contact back home than even the Apollo crews did.
Mentally is one of the last things I'm worried about.

given the time delay real time discussion will not be possible.bob



Physically may be an issue due to zero-g and low-g, but honestly:
a) That's risk they're willing to take
b) If you're really worried, spin the transit craft.

that may be necessary for chemical rocket transit time, but nuclear
propulsion can cut the travel time so much to minimize such problems.
the last thing a newly arrived crew on mars needs is physical
rehab..... bob


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On Feb 4, 11:19*am, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
"bob haller" *wrote in message

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my point which you ignore lots of probes have gone many places where
there are no plans to send humans, like pluto, mercury, venus, saturn,
and ut of the soar system.

fred you bogusly claim the only reason to send missions are if humans
will follow.

No Bob, that's NOT what Fred said. *He said the reason we're sending the
probes we are sending to MARS is as a precursor to humans.

It's much the same reason Surveyor (and others) were sent to the Moon.
While it's quite possible we might have done some lunar science for the pure
sake of lunar science, their main purpose was to pave the way for Apollo.

Note how many lunar science missions followed after Apollo. NONE for nearly
3 decades.

Apollo was the reason for Surveyor.

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fred never specified mars he said why send probes if humans arent
going to follow.......

go back and look, fred claims theres no support unless its a human
destinaation.. he is clearly mistaken

"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Feb 4, 11:14 am, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
"bob haller" wrote in message
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crews gone that long, so far from earth are going to have big problems
with both physical and mental condition.. whats the longest time in
space up till now? around a year?

Mentally, really? Seriously?

yep dimentia from deep space radiation exposure bob

Bob, honestly, people have pointed out to you repeatedly that this is a
known AND manageable risk.

Worst case scenario, just bring extra water for shielding. It's not really
hard. Yeah, ups the mass you need to carry, which increases costs, but it's
dirt simple. Oh and dirt works pretty well on Mars.

This is one of the easiest problems to deal with when the time comes.




How the hell did crews on whaling ships survive when they were away from
home for nearly similar periods?

Today crews will have more contact back home than even the Apollo crews
did.
Mentally is one of the last things I'm worried about.

given the time delay real time discussion will not be possible.bob


Really? The astronauts can't talk to each other?

Yes, I know you mean with Earth, but you know what, people have gone without
real-time communication to relatives for most of the history of mankind.
Whalers were out of touch with home for months to years on-end. Most
deployments in WWI and WWII were the same way.

I think folks will survive this.



Physically may be an issue due to zero-g and low-g, but honestly:
a) That's risk they're willing to take
b) If you're really worried, spin the transit craft.

that may be necessary for chemical rocket transit time, but nuclear
propulsion can cut the travel time so much to minimize such problems.
the last thing a newly arrived crew on mars needs is physical
rehab..... bob


Here's the difference. We can build a chemical rocket today. It's just a
matter of money.

And it's probably still FAR cheaper to launch extra mass for a longer
journey than it is to simply deal with the paperwork with building a nuclear
rocket, let alone proving one flight-worthy.

Will we someday have nuclear rockets and use them to get to Mars. Probably.
Are they necessary, hardly.



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It would be hard to go exploring on mars while covered with water or
dirt. just how is that accomplished? PICTURES PLEASE

Plus cutting the travel time to mars cuts costs, since it minimizes
the supplies needed for the journey... and given a shorter travel time
means less chance of failures......

the proof is in the worlds wallet which has never been opened for a
serious manned mission to mars, heck we tossed away the ability to go
back to the moon

Do tell do you believe manufacturing will always require tons of low
paid workers doing grunt jobs?



The future of our world will be most jobs taken not by low paid
chinese but by robots doing most of the work........

this begets a larger question how will the people currently doing
those jobs earn a living?

We have the chance of becoming a leader in artificial intelligence and
robotics by having them lead exploration of the solar system and using
the technology back here on earth for humans.......

"bob haller" wrote in message
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It would be hard to go exploring on mars while covered with water or
dirt. just how is that accomplished? PICTURES PLEASE

You don't. You cover up while at rest.

Look, exploring Mars will not be risk free. People will still sign up.

Hell, people go to the top of Everest simply to say they were there.
There's no real science being done by them.

And still a lot of people die in the attempt or suffer severe injuries.



Plus cutting the travel time to mars cuts costs, since it minimizes
the supplies needed for the journey... and given a shorter travel time
means less chance of failures......

the proof is in the worlds wallet which has never been opened for a
serious manned mission to mars, heck we tossed away the ability to go
back to the moon

Do tell do you believe manufacturing will always require tons of low
paid workers doing grunt jobs?


Why would I believe that when it's not even true now? A lot of
manufacturing is quite high-tech.

Hell, I've got a fab plant "just up the road". They're manufacturing and
it's hardly low-paid workers doing grunt jobs.



The future of our world will be most jobs taken not by low paid
chinese but by robots doing most of the work........


Ayup. Sounds good to me. That'll leave us meatsacks more time to do the
good stuff, like explore Mars.

this begets a larger question how will the people currently doing
those jobs earn a living?

We have the chance of becoming a leader in artificial intelligence and
robotics by having them lead exploration of the solar system and using
the technology back here on earth for humans.......

And we have a far better change of becoming a leader in AI by doing it here
on Earth. Again, witness stuff like IBM's Watson.

Frank Herbert's Destination: Void was fiction.




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Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:

Yes, I know you mean with Earth, but you know what, people have gone without
real-time communication to relatives for most of the history of mankind.

Indeed, I have direct first hand experience of this.

Whalers were out of touch with home for months to years on-end. Most
deployments in WWI and WWII were the same way.

Whalers would have *no* news [1]... the troops in WW1 would receive
letters from home on a regular basis.

Perhaps a more relevant example would be the Polar expeditions of about
a hundred years ago where they might go 18 months without any sort of
outside human contact *whatsoever*. [2]

[1] Unless they came across another ship
[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperia...ion#Expedition

"Fevric J. Glandules" wrote in message ...

Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:

Yes, I know you mean with Earth, but you know what, people have gone
without
real-time communication to relatives for most of the history of mankind.

Indeed, I have direct first hand experience of this.

Whalers were out of touch with home for months to years on-end. Most
deployments in WWI and WWII were the same way.

Whalers would have *no* news [1]... the troops in WW1 would receive
letters from home on a regular basis.

Perhaps a more relevant example would be the Polar expeditions of about
a hundred years ago where they might go 18 months without any sort of
outside human contact *whatsoever*. [2]


You know, this makes me think Bob should read the story of the Endurance.


[1] Unless they came across another ship
[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperia...ion#Expedition



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On Feb 4, 11:44*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Feb 4, 11:19*am, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
"bob haller" *wrote in message

....

my point which you ignore lots of probes have gone many places where
there are no plans to send humans, like pluto, mercury, venus, saturn,
and ut of the soar system.

fred you bogusly claim the only reason to send missions are if humans
will follow.

No Bob, that's NOT what Fred said. *He said the reason we're sending the
probes we are sending to MARS is as a precursor to humans.

It's much the same reason Surveyor (and others) were sent to the Moon.
While it's quite possible we might have done some lunar science for the pure
sake of lunar science, their main purpose was to pave the way for Apollo.

Note how many lunar science missions followed after Apollo. NONE for nearly
3 decades.

Apollo was the reason for Surveyor.

fred never specified mars he said why send probes if humans arent
going to follow.......

go back and look, fred claims theres no support unless its a human
destinaation.. he is clearly mistaken

You see lots of support for toasters to Pluto, do you?

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hey pluto has a probe on the way, its been built and launched

Hows that manned mars mission going??