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No really new idea for Obama
On Feb 4, 6:55*am, Michael Gallagher wrote:
If President Obama wants truly new and unique ideas for what he calls a 21st century space program, he has one problem: There aren't any. Everyone talks about orbital refueling as the new idea, but its not new at all. *It was at the heart of EOR considered for Apollo, but even then, it was an "old" idea. *Aurthur C. Clarke described it in his book "The Exploration of Space," published in 1951, so the British Intperlanetary Society must have kicked the idea around before that. Did anyone come up with them before they did? *And one of Clarke's applications for it was refueling space ships bound for the Moon; the book has a chapter on Moon bases. *So 20th Century. *Sorry, can't do that! In fact, I can't think of anything we could do in space that isn't a 20th century idea first implented then: *Space shuttle, space stations, planetary probes, observing the Earth -- all old news. *No new ideas. *So nothing to do. I guess there's nothing for it except to repeal the National Aeronautics and Space Act AND ban all space research and development by all public or private US entities unless they do a new 21st century idea which there are none of so of course, they do nothing. *And hopefully, when the Chinese go to Mars, they'll put a token American on their flight. There's always Venus and even our moon(Selene) that's new as far as accessible and more than paying their own way. What's not to like about either of those? ~ BG |
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No really new idea for Obama
On Feb 5, 7:16*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Feb 4, 6:55*am, Michael Gallagher wrote: If President Obama wants truly new and unique ideas for what he calls a 21st century space program, he has one problem: There aren't any. Everyone talks about orbital refueling as the new idea, but its not new at all. *It was at the heart of EOR considered for Apollo, but even then, it was an "old" idea. *Aurthur C. Clarke described it in his book "The Exploration of Space," published in 1951, so the British Intperlanetary Society must have kicked the idea around before that. Did anyone come up with them before they did? *And one of Clarke's applications for it was refueling space ships bound for the Moon; the book has a chapter on Moon bases. *So 20th Century. *Sorry, can't do that! In fact, I can't think of anything we could do in space that isn't a 20th century idea first implented then: *Space shuttle, space stations, planetary probes, observing the Earth -- all old news. *No new ideas. *So nothing to do. I guess there's nothing for it except to repeal the National Aeronautics and Space Act AND ban all space research and development by all public or private US entities unless they do a new 21st century idea which there are none of so of course, they do nothing. *And hopefully, when the Chinese go to Mars, they'll put a token American on their flight. There's always Venus and even our moon(Selene) that's new as far as accessible and more than paying their own way. What's not to like about either of those? *~ BG Venus is too toasty for my taste. And I don't want to try floating around in its atmosphere. The moon is a bleak place but does it truly offer some resource that earth doesn't have? Space itself offers as good or better vantage points for space telescopes. Even Mars is pretty bleak though it may have more resources. To live in a settlement would mean living in a tunnel or heavily shield air locked building. The work would be doing repairs and upkeep on remote vehicles or robots and doing remote operations from the settlement to the robotics extensions to the human presence. Perhaps the thinking needs to be vastly bigger. Materials, biological, and physics research in preparation for the big jump to the next habitable star system? Habitable meaning a detected planet in the habitable zone, etc. Trig |
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No really new idea for Obama
On Feb 5, 10:18*pm, |"
wrote: On Feb 5, 7:16*pm, BradGuth wrote: On Feb 4, 6:55*am, Michael Gallagher wrote: If President Obama wants truly new and unique ideas for what he calls a 21st century space program, he has one problem: There aren't any. Everyone talks about orbital refueling as the new idea, but its not new at all. *It was at the heart of EOR considered for Apollo, but even then, it was an "old" idea. *Aurthur C. Clarke described it in his book "The Exploration of Space," published in 1951, so the British Intperlanetary Society must have kicked the idea around before that. Did anyone come up with them before they did? *And one of Clarke's applications for it was refueling space ships bound for the Moon; the book has a chapter on Moon bases. *So 20th Century. *Sorry, can't do that! In fact, I can't think of anything we could do in space that isn't a 20th century idea first implented then: *Space shuttle, space stations, planetary probes, observing the Earth -- all old news. *No new ideas. *So nothing to do. I guess there's nothing for it except to repeal the National Aeronautics and Space Act AND ban all space research and development by all public or private US entities unless they do a new 21st century idea which there are none of so of course, they do nothing. *And hopefully, when the Chinese go to Mars, they'll put a token American on their flight. There's always Venus and even our moon(Selene) that's new as far as accessible and more than paying their own way. What's not to like about either of those? *~ BG Venus is too toasty for my taste. And I don't want to try floating around in its atmosphere. In other words, you don't believe in radar imaging or in those regular laws of physics? The moon is a bleak place but does it truly offer some resource that earth doesn't have? Yes, but there's only trillions of dollars worth, and it's zero delta- V of Selene L1 is itself worth only a little more than a trillion per year. Space itself offers as good or better vantage points for space telescopes. Even Mars is pretty bleak though it may have more resources. To live in a settlement would mean living in a tunnel or heavily shield air locked building. The work would be doing repairs and upkeep on remote vehicles or robots and doing remote operations from the settlement to the robotics extensions to the human presence. Correct, Mars sucks in more ways than GW Bush, Dick Cheney and Kissinger combined. Perhaps the thinking needs to be vastly bigger. Materials, biological, and physics research in preparation for the big jump to the next habitable star system? We'd still need local resources that our moon and Venus could easily provide. Habitable meaning a detected planet in the habitable zone, etc. Trig Our moon and the planet Venus are each within "the habitable zone, etc". Do you know how to enlarge digital images? ~ BG |
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No really new idea for Obama
On Feb 5, 10:42*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Feb 5, 10:18*pm, |" wrote: On Feb 5, 7:16*pm, BradGuth wrote: On Feb 4, 6:55*am, Michael Gallagher wrote: If President Obama wants truly new and unique ideas for what he calls a 21st century space program, he has one problem: There aren't any. Everyone talks about orbital refueling as the new idea, but its not new at all. *It was at the heart of EOR considered for Apollo, but even then, it was an "old" idea. *Aurthur C. Clarke described it in his book "The Exploration of Space," published in 1951, so the British Intperlanetary Society must have kicked the idea around before that.. Did anyone come up with them before they did? *And one of Clarke's applications for it was refueling space ships bound for the Moon; the book has a chapter on Moon bases. *So 20th Century. *Sorry, can't do that! In fact, I can't think of anything we could do in space that isn't a 20th century idea first implented then: *Space shuttle, space stations, planetary probes, observing the Earth -- all old news. *No new ideas. *So nothing to do. I guess there's nothing for it except to repeal the National Aeronautics and Space Act AND ban all space research and development by all public or private US entities unless they do a new 21st century idea which there are none of so of course, they do nothing. *And hopefully, when the Chinese go to Mars, they'll put a token American on their flight. There's always Venus and even our moon(Selene) that's new as far as accessible and more than paying their own way. What's not to like about either of those? *~ BG Venus is too toasty for my taste. And I don't want to try floating around in its atmosphere. In other words, you don't believe in radar imaging or in those regular laws of physics? The moon is a bleak place but does it truly offer some resource that earth doesn't have? Yes, but there's only trillions of dollars worth, and it's zero delta- V of Selene L1 is itself worth only a little more than a trillion per year. Space itself offers as good or better vantage points for space telescopes. Even Mars is pretty bleak though it may have more resources. To live in a settlement would mean living in a tunnel or heavily shield air locked building. The work would be doing repairs and upkeep on remote vehicles or robots and doing remote operations from the settlement to the robotics extensions to the human presence. Correct, Mars sucks in more ways than GW Bush, Dick Cheney and Kissinger combined. Perhaps the thinking needs to be vastly bigger. Materials, biological, and physics research in preparation for the big jump to the next habitable star system? We'd still need local resources that our moon and Venus could easily provide. Habitable meaning a detected planet in the habitable zone, etc. Trig Our moon and the planet Venus are each within "the habitable zone, etc". Do you know how to enlarge digital images? *~ BG Venus at the surface is hot enough to soften lead. As it stands Venus isn't habitable. It is so hot electronics don't last. If one looks at the surface images of the planet one doesn't see rivers, streams, or oceans. Any habitable planet is going to have such bodies of water. Plus it lacks a moon, a decent day length, and Van Allen belts. If Venus was ever habitable it was back ~3.5 billion year ago or more when the sun wasn't as hot and before the crust was roasted for its CO2. Cooked fish in submarine........................Trig |
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