Ares-1 delayed 1 year?

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:55:45 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

You make heads or tails of this mess:
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/20...internall.html

Whoever the new president is will have to deal with this. The first
thing that I'd do is form a commission to review the "analysis" that
led to ESAS. I suspect that they'll find that the sixty-day study was
extremely flawed and driven by the biases of its participants (Mike's
OSC mafia and Horowitz), and that it ignored all of the data provided
by the CE&R contracts.

Rand Simberg wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:55:45 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

You make heads or tails of this mess:
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/20...internall.html

Whoever the new president is will have to deal with this. The first
thing that I'd do is form a commission to review the "analysis" that
led to ESAS. I suspect that they'll find that the sixty-day study was
extremely flawed and driven by the biases of its participants (Mike's
OSC mafia and Horowitz), and that it ignored all of the data provided
by the CE&R contracts.

Maybe they'll put Scotty The Whore Horowitz in jail where he belongs.

Rand Simberg wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:55:45 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

You make heads or tails of this mess:
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/20...internall.html

Whoever the new president is will have to deal with this.

Just like the next president will have to deal with your wars and your
debts, asshole.

On 21 Gen, 14:19, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:55:45 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

You make heads or tails of this mess:
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/20...internall.html

Whoever the new president is will have to deal with this. *The first
thing that I'd do is form a commission to review the "analysis" that
led to ESAS. *I suspect that they'll find that the sixty-day study was
extremely flawed and driven by the biases of its participants (Mike's
OSC mafia and Horowitz), and that it ignored all of the data provided
by the CE&R contracts.

MAYBE... SOMEDAY... SOMEONE WILL ADMITS I WAS RIGHT IN ALL MY ARTICLES
AND POSTS ON FORUMS AND BLOGS...

JUST SEARCH AND READ MY 1500+ POSTS ON UPLINK.SPACE.COM WRITTEN IN THE
LAST MONTHS OF 2005 WHEN WE HAD ONLY A FEW INFO ABOUT THE ESAS PLAN
(PUBLISHED AT THE END OF 2005) AND YOU CAN DISCOVER THAT ALL THE
PROBLEMS OF THE ESAS PLAN'S DESIGN FLAWS, HIGH COSTS, VERY LONG
TIMELINE, ETC. WAS ALREADY PREDICTED AND EXPLAINED 2.5 YEARS AGO !!!

THE SAME FOR MY FEW POSTS ON NSF

BOTH BANNED ME WHEN THEY HAVE SEEN THAT I DON'T OBEY TO THEIR DICTATS
ABOUT THE OPINIONS I CAN OR I CAN'T POST (SINCE I WRITE WHAT I SAY AND
I SAY WHAT I THINK) AND I'M NOT A SUPPORTER OF THEIR OWN "DIRECT-
LOBBY"

YOU, ALSO, HAS ALLOWED THE USERS OF YOUR BLOG TO POST INSULTS AGAINST
ME WITHOUT DELETE THEM (LIKE DONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE LINKS TO MY
"DISLIKED" ARCGUMENTS' ARTICLES...)

THEN, FINALLY, YOU AND OTHER "SPACE GURU" DISCOVER THAT THE ESAS PLAN
HAS LOTS OF DESIGN FLAWS...

.

gaetanomarano wrote:

JUST SEARCH AND READ MY 1500+ POSTS ON UPLINK.SPACE.COM WRITTEN IN THE
LAST MONTHS OF 2005 WHEN WE HAD ONLY A FEW INFO ABOUT THE ESAS PLAN
(PUBLISHED AT THE END OF 2005) AND YOU CAN DISCOVER THAT ALL THE
PROBLEMS OF THE ESAS PLAN'S DESIGN FLAWS, HIGH COSTS, VERY LONG
TIMELINE, ETC. WAS ALREADY PREDICTED AND EXPLAINED 2.5 YEARS AGO !!!


JUST READ MY 34,996 POSTINGS AND LEARN ABOUT THE SLUTTY WOMEN WHO
LIVE ON VENUS, AND THE STRANGE PEOPLE AND ANIMALS THAT INHABIT THE OTHER
PLANETS AND MOONS OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM !!! ;-)

PAT!

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:15:23 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
gaetanomarano made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

On 21 Gen, 14:19, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:55:45 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

You make heads or tails of this mess:
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/20...internall.html

Whoever the new president is will have to deal with this. *The first
thing that I'd do is form a commission to review the "analysis" that
led to ESAS. *I suspect that they'll find that the sixty-day study was
extremely flawed and driven by the biases of its participants (Mike's
OSC mafia and Horowitz), and that it ignored all of the data provided
by the CE&R contracts.

MAYBE... SOMEDAY... SOMEONE WILL ADMITS I WAS RIGHT IN ALL MY ARTICLES
AND POSTS ON FORUMS AND BLOGS...

JUST SEARCH AND READ MY 1500+ POSTS ON UPLINK.SPACE.COM WRITTEN IN THE
LAST MONTHS OF 2005 WHEN WE HAD ONLY A FEW INFO ABOUT THE ESAS PLAN
(PUBLISHED AT THE END OF 2005) AND YOU CAN DISCOVER THAT ALL THE
PROBLEMS OF THE ESAS PLAN'S DESIGN FLAWS, HIGH COSTS, VERY LONG
TIMELINE, ETC. WAS ALREADY PREDICTED AND EXPLAINED 2.5 YEARS AGO !!!

THE SAME FOR MY FEW POSTS ON NSF

BOTH BANNED ME WHEN THEY HAVE SEEN THAT I DON'T OBEY TO THEIR DICTATS
ABOUT THE OPINIONS I CAN OR I CAN'T POST (SINCE I WRITE WHAT I SAY AND
I SAY WHAT I THINK) AND I'M NOT A SUPPORTER OF THEIR OWN "DIRECT-
LOBBY"

YOU, ALSO, HAS ALLOWED THE USERS OF YOUR BLOG TO POST INSULTS AGAINST
ME WITHOUT DELETE THEM (LIKE DONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE LINKS TO MY
"DISLIKED" ARCGUMENTS' ARTICLES...)

I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. Particularly when I
agree with it.

THEN, FINALLY, YOU AND OTHER "SPACE GURU" DISCOVER THAT THE ESAS PLAN
HAS LOTS OF DESIGN FLAWS...

I've been saying that ESAS was flawed from the day it was announced,
you idiot.

gaetanomarano wrote:
On 21 Gen, 14:19, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:55:45 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

You make heads or tails of this mess:
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/20...internall.html
Whoever the new president is will have to deal with this. The first
thing that I'd do is form a commission to review the "analysis" that
led to ESAS. I suspect that they'll find that the sixty-day study was
extremely flawed and driven by the biases of its participants (Mike's
OSC mafia and Horowitz), and that it ignored all of the data provided
by the CE&R contracts.

MAYBE... SOMEDAY... SOMEONE WILL ADMITS I WAS RIGHT IN ALL MY ARTICLES
AND POSTS ON FORUMS AND BLOGS...

JUST SEARCH AND READ MY 1500+ POSTS ON UPLINK.SPACE.COM WRITTEN IN THE
LAST MONTHS OF 2005 WHEN WE HAD ONLY A FEW INFO ABOUT THE ESAS PLAN
(PUBLISHED AT THE END OF 2005) AND YOU CAN DISCOVER THAT ALL THE
PROBLEMS OF THE ESAS PLAN'S DESIGN FLAWS, HIGH COSTS, VERY LONG
TIMELINE, ETC. WAS ALREADY PREDICTED AND EXPLAINED 2.5 YEARS AGO !!!

THE SAME FOR MY FEW POSTS ON NSF

BOTH BANNED ME WHEN THEY HAVE SEEN THAT I DON'T OBEY TO THEIR DICTATS
ABOUT THE OPINIONS I CAN OR I CAN'T POST (SINCE I WRITE WHAT I SAY AND
I SAY WHAT I THINK) AND I'M NOT A SUPPORTER OF THEIR OWN "DIRECT-
LOBBY"

YOU, ALSO, HAS ALLOWED THE USERS OF YOUR BLOG TO POST INSULTS AGAINST
ME WITHOUT DELETE THEM (LIKE DONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE LINKS TO MY
"DISLIKED" ARCGUMENTS' ARTICLES...)

THEN, FINALLY, YOU AND OTHER "SPACE GURU" DISCOVER THAT THE ESAS PLAN
HAS LOTS OF DESIGN FLAWS...

You know they're starting to lose it when they go all caps.

He Geronimo, doesn't Italy have a space program? I know Italy has a lot
of really smart and clever physicists in Italy, I have a lot of friends
in the physics community. And you guys essentially even have your own
launcher, Vega, which is almost identical to the ATK Athena III in form.

So rather than losing your mind, why don't you put it to good use.

Pat Flannery wrote:


gaetanomarano wrote:

JUST SEARCH AND READ MY 1500+ POSTS ON UPLINK.SPACE.COM WRITTEN IN THE
LAST MONTHS OF 2005 WHEN WE HAD ONLY A FEW INFO ABOUT THE ESAS PLAN
(PUBLISHED AT THE END OF 2005) AND YOU CAN DISCOVER THAT ALL THE
PROBLEMS OF THE ESAS PLAN'S DESIGN FLAWS, HIGH COSTS, VERY LONG
TIMELINE, ETC. WAS ALREADY PREDICTED AND EXPLAINED 2.5 YEARS AGO !!!


JUST READ MY 34,996 POSTINGS AND LEARN ABOUT THE SLUTTY WOMEN WHO
LIVE ON VENUS, AND THE STRANGE PEOPLE AND ANIMALS THAT INHABIT THE OTHER
PLANETS AND MOONS OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM !!! ;-)

PAT!

Now that is funny, I just knew you'd come around.

On 22 Gen, 01:53, (Rand Simberg) wrote:

you idiot

maybe, you could avoid to post insults and post the links to "your"
critics' posts about the ESAS flaws in OCTOBER and NOVEMBER
2005 ...

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On 22 Gen, 01:59, kT wrote:

He Geronimo, doesn't Italy have a space program? I know Italy has a lot
of really smart and clever physicists in Italy, I have a lot of friends
in the physics community. And you guys essentially even have your own
launcher, Vega, which is almost identical to the ATK Athena III in form.

many ISS modules are made in Italy and Italy is the 3rd contributor to
the ESA and Arianespace funds

a man-rated Ariane5 itself could be good to launch manned vehicles,
but, unfortunately, the "quiet europeans" was and are not enough brave
to do what USA, Russia and (now) China has already done

about the VEGA ...it's the new COTS' ATK/LockMart launcher that looks
pretty close to it...

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