Aether has mass

On Nov 14, 8:32*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 14, 10:58*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Nov 14, 6:08*am, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 14, 9:03*am, Brad Guth wrote:

We don't know if there is another jet. There is no evidence of another
jet.

All of the evidence is evidence we exist in a Universal jet.

There can't be only one jet, unless our aether jet is rocketing us
through the empty space that has no ongoing aether flow, at the
velocity of .5c or faster.

Are you able to understand in a double slit experiment performed with
a C-60 molecule the C-60 molecule moves?

How does a C60 carbon buckyball apply to aether?

I think it is important before we discuss things we have no evidence
of, such as the 'other' Universal jet, you are able to understand what
occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment.

A C-60 carbon buckyball applies to aether because when it moves
through the aether it has an associated aether displacement wave and
in a double slit experiment the C-60 carbon buckyball travels a well
defined path while the associated wave in the aether passes through
all of the slits.

Are you able to understand in a double slit experiment the C-60 carbon
buckyball moves?

You should be able to understand I see no reason to discuss if there
is, or isn't, an opposite Universal jet if you are unable to
understand in a double slit experiment the C-60 carbon buckyball
moves, correct?

Molecular stuff like C60 can be made to move, and as such it'll cause
a displacement of whatever fills a vacuum. *Actually the Earth-moon L1
is offering a million times better vacuum than anything we can create
here on Earth, but apparently our NASA simply isn't capable of setting
up any such platform or space-station as a physics lab in such a
nearly perfect vacuum.

Are you suggesting that I'm not being truthful or sincere when I say
that I favor the existence of aether?

Not at all. The confusion is when you keep insisting the particle
doesn't move in a double slit experiment. Now, we can have a
discussion on what a photon is, which is not the point right now. I
just wanted to make sure you understood in a double slit experiment
performed with a proton, neutron, atom or molecule the particle
physically moves and has an associated wave in the aether.

Take a look at the image on the right he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnu...f_the_universe

Now, I know you are going to say there is another Universal jet in the
image.

However, I am pointing out that we have no evidence it exists. We also
have no evidence there is a Universal black hole with two polar jets.

What we have evidence of is the Universal jet we exist in.

I'm not saying there is, or isn't an opposite Universal jet, just that
we have no evidence of it.

But we can honestly surmise that it most likely does exist, and
because it's going directly away from us at 'c' is why it or any of
its aether jet flow will never be detected, not to mention the extreme
distance of its molecular universe being hundreds of billions or even
conceivably trillions of light years away from us by now.

For all we know with any objective certainty is that a quantum
singularity particle seems to exist at the time a given wave is
detected, but there's still nothing objectively proving that each
individual wave and its associated particle are one and the very same
as provided by the original source wave and its associated particle,
just like the electron entering one end of any given wire is simply
not the same electron that emerges out or is taken from the other end
of that copper conductor.

Do super-conductors allow their electrons to travel, migrate or
propagate any faster, or slower?

On Nov 14, 12:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Take a look at the image on the right he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnu...f_the_universe

Now, I know you are going to say there is another Universal jet in the
image.

However, I am pointing out that we have no evidence it exists. We also
have no evidence there is a Universal black hole with two polar jets.

What we have evidence of is the Universal jet we exist in.

I'm not saying there is, or isn't an opposite Universal jet, just that
we have no evidence of it.

But we can honestly surmise that it most likely does exist, and
because it's going directly away from us at 'c' is why it or any of
its aether jet flow will never be detected, not to mention the extreme
distance of its molecular universe being hundreds of billions or even
conceivably trillions of light years away from us by now.

For all we know with any objective certainty is that a quantum
singularity particle seems to exist at the time a given wave is
detected, but there's still nothing objectively proving that each
individual wave and its associated particle are one and the very same
as provided by the original source wave and its associated particle,
just like the electron entering one end of any given wire is simply
not the same electron that emerges out or is taken from the other end
of that copper conductor.

Do super-conductors allow their electrons to travel, migrate or
propagate any faster, or slower?

The C-60 molecule fired at the slits in a double slit experiment is
the same C-60 molecule detected after interacting with the slits. The
C-60 molecule travels a well defined path and the associated wave in
the aether passes through all of the slits.

On Nov 14, 12:11*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 14, 12:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:











Take a look at the image on the right he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnu...f_the_universe

Now, I know you are going to say there is another Universal jet in the
image.

However, I am pointing out that we have no evidence it exists. We also
have no evidence there is a Universal black hole with two polar jets.

What we have evidence of is the Universal jet we exist in.

I'm not saying there is, or isn't an opposite Universal jet, just that
we have no evidence of it.

But we can honestly surmise that it most likely does exist, and
because it's going directly away from us at 'c' is why it or any of
its aether jet flow will never be detected, not to mention the extreme
distance of its molecular universe being hundreds of billions or even
conceivably trillions of light years away from us by now.

For all we know with any objective certainty is that a quantum
singularity particle seems to exist at the time a given wave is
detected, but there's still nothing objectively proving that each
individual wave and its associated particle are one and the very same
as provided by the original source wave and its associated particle,
just like the electron entering one end of any given wire is simply
not the same electron that emerges out or is taken from the other end
of that copper conductor.

Do super-conductors allow their electrons to travel, migrate or
propagate any faster, or slower?

The C-60 molecule fired at the slits in a double slit experiment is
the same C-60 molecule detected after interacting with the slits. The
C-60 molecule travels a well defined path and the associated wave in
the aether passes through all of the slits.

Feynman's "Sum of all paths" fits TreBert

On Nov 14, 12:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 14, 8:32*am, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 14, 10:58*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 6:08*am, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 14, 9:03*am, Brad Guth wrote:

We don't know if there is another jet. There is no evidence of another
jet.

All of the evidence is evidence we exist in a Universal jet..

There can't be only one jet, unless our aether jet is rocketing us
through the empty space that has no ongoing aether flow, at the
velocity of .5c or faster.

Are you able to understand in a double slit experiment performed with
a C-60 molecule the C-60 molecule moves?

How does a C60 carbon buckyball apply to aether?

I think it is important before we discuss things we have no evidence
of, such as the 'other' Universal jet, you are able to understand what
occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment.

A C-60 carbon buckyball applies to aether because when it moves
through the aether it has an associated aether displacement wave and
in a double slit experiment the C-60 carbon buckyball travels a well
defined path while the associated wave in the aether passes through
all of the slits.

Are you able to understand in a double slit experiment the C-60 carbon
buckyball moves?

You should be able to understand I see no reason to discuss if there
is, or isn't, an opposite Universal jet if you are unable to
understand in a double slit experiment the C-60 carbon buckyball
moves, correct?

Molecular stuff like C60 can be made to move, and as such it'll cause
a displacement of whatever fills a vacuum. *Actually the Earth-moon L1
is offering a million times better vacuum than anything we can create
here on Earth, but apparently our NASA simply isn't capable of setting
up any such platform or space-station as a physics lab in such a
nearly perfect vacuum.

Are you suggesting that I'm not being truthful or sincere when I say
that I favor the existence of aether?

Not at all. The confusion is when you keep insisting the particle
doesn't move in a double slit experiment. Now, we can have a
discussion on what a photon is, which is not the point right now. I
just wanted to make sure you understood in a double slit experiment
performed with a proton, neutron, atom or molecule the particle
physically moves and has an associated wave in the aether.

Take a look at the image on the right he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnu...f_the_universe

Now, I know you are going to say there is another Universal jet in the
image.

However, I am pointing out that we have no evidence it exists. We also
have no evidence there is a Universal black hole with two polar jets.

What we have evidence of is the Universal jet we exist in.

I'm not saying there is, or isn't an opposite Universal jet, just that
we have no evidence of it.

But we can honestly surmise that it most likely does exist, and
because it's going directly away from us at 'c' is why it or any of
its aether jet flow will never be detected, not to mention the extreme
distance of its molecular universe being hundreds of billions or even
conceivably trillions of light years away from us by now.

For all we know with any objective certainty is that a quantum
singularity particle seems to exist at the time a given wave is
detected, but there's still nothing objectively proving that each
individual wave and its associated particle are one and the very same
as provided by the original source wave and its associated particle,
just like the electron entering one end of any given wire is simply
not the same electron that emerges out or is taken from the other end
of that copper conductor.

Do super-conductors allow their electrons to travel, migrate or
propagate any faster, or slower?

External observation collapses the wave function. Self-observation
achieves isolation for at least 50% of the wave function. Therefore
the wave function remains at most, 50% 'virtual' to non-observers or
non-observation.

First assume 'aether means observation'. If this is true, then anti-
aether can remain 50% 'virtual' until observation. Zero point field
with all its virtual subatomic particles and photons that jump into
existence from apparently nowhere, to return to oblivion nanoseconds
later, can be described by the virtual particles having a potential
obervational rise time of a few nanoseconds, before totally losing
their ability to become 'self-observed'.

Virtual particles represent a collective energy that is released by
all of the subatomic particles in the universe, when they fall back
from their excited state to their energetic ground state (Lamb
Shift).

So why should aether theories postulate that there are no particles
only waves, and only attribute momentum (push) probabilities to
electrons?

The answer would have to point to the electro-gravitic nature of the
aether itself, as the virtual medium in which the PUSH acts against
all mass - mass attracted to the zero point of the aether, the focal
point of the atom, where all mass collapses in on itself at absolute
zero.

If absolute zero exists, it would be a wonderful superconductor of
aether, and the aether waves might therefore be flat, and travel in
straight lines like the e-neutrino and tachyon, and therefore exhibit
the property of zero-point energy-induced particle motion, also by
'reflecting', as on the perfectly still surface of H-O-H, whatever
thermo-induced mass excitations are emitting electrons.

The zero point would then have to act as a fractal attractor, drawing
into it all the electromagnetic waves that can fractally attract
photon energy, while displacing itself through aether micropores, or
the electrons, creating gravity, and even self-awareness, yet all from
a supposed superconducting and background flat wave of zero hertz.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:09:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 13, 2:05*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


The force is the state of displacement of the aether.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

That aether THEORY is quite self-evident, but it hasn't been
objectively tested outside of think-tanks and the likes of yourself.
The observed force of conventional molecular gravity as well as those
pesky atomic binding forces remain as physics-101, at least up until
observed actions/reactions of aether (not that of helium or any other
known element) can be objectively proven to perform as a superfluid or
supersolid as a pushing or displacement force of gravity as you and a
few other insist.

Try to keep in mind that at least a few of us in Usenet/newsgroups
have open mindsets about most anything, and we're willing to
investigate and deductively connect those dots of new and improved
science or that of its physics. *In other words, we are not the
mainstream status-quo bad guys, at least some of us are not the
really, really bad guys.

*https://groups.google.com/forum/m/
*http://groups.google.com/groups/search
*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”,GuthVenus

GuthVenus 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

What part of dark matter was first postulated because the mass of the
matter can not account for the gravitational effects associated with
the spin of galaxies are you unable to understand?


Well, off to something else - broken records and uncivil behavior gets
you off my reading list. Ciao, baby!


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On 11/14/2012 2:00 PM, Painius wrote:


Try to keep in mind that at least a few of us in Usenet/newsgroups
have open mindsets about most anything, and we're willing to
investigate and deductively connect those dots of new and improved
science or that of its physics. In other words, we are not the
mainstream status-quo bad guys, at least some of us are not the
really, really bad guys.


GuthVenus 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...

What part of dark matter was first postulated because the mass of the
matter can not account for the gravitational effects associated with
the spin of galaxies are you unable to understand?


Well, off to something else - broken records and uncivil behavior gets
you off my reading list. Ciao, baby!


Ya. That why *I* don't read Goth's stuff anymore either.









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On Nov 14, 1:49*pm, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Nov 14, 12:11*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 14, 12:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Take a look at the image on the right he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnu...f_the_universe

Now, I know you are going to say there is another Universal jet in the
image.

However, I am pointing out that we have no evidence it exists. We also
have no evidence there is a Universal black hole with two polar jets.

What we have evidence of is the Universal jet we exist in.

I'm not saying there is, or isn't an opposite Universal jet, just that
we have no evidence of it.

But we can honestly surmise that it most likely does exist, and
because it's going directly away from us at 'c' is why it or any of
its aether jet flow will never be detected, not to mention the extreme
distance of its molecular universe being hundreds of billions or even
conceivably trillions of light years away from us by now.

For all we know with any objective certainty is that a quantum
singularity particle seems to exist at the time a given wave is
detected, but there's still nothing objectively proving that each
individual wave and its associated particle are one and the very same
as provided by the original source wave and its associated particle,
just like the electron entering one end of any given wire is simply
not the same electron that emerges out or is taken from the other end
of that copper conductor.

Do super-conductors allow their electrons to travel, migrate or
propagate any faster, or slower?

The C-60 molecule fired at the slits in a double slit experiment is
the same C-60 molecule detected after interacting with the slits. The
C-60 molecule travels a well defined path and the associated wave in
the aether passes through all of the slits.

Feynman's "Sum of all paths" fits * TreBert

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

On Nov 14, 2:00*pm, American wrote:
On Nov 14, 12:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Nov 14, 8:32*am, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 14, 10:58*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 6:08*am, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 14, 9:03*am, Brad Guth wrote:

We don't know if there is another jet. There is no evidence of another
jet.

All of the evidence is evidence we exist in a Universal jet.

There can't be only one jet, unless our aether jet is rocketing us
through the empty space that has no ongoing aether flow, at the
velocity of .5c or faster.

Are you able to understand in a double slit experiment performed with
a C-60 molecule the C-60 molecule moves?

How does a C60 carbon buckyball apply to aether?

I think it is important before we discuss things we have no evidence
of, such as the 'other' Universal jet, you are able to understand what
occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment.

A C-60 carbon buckyball applies to aether because when it moves
through the aether it has an associated aether displacement wave and
in a double slit experiment the C-60 carbon buckyball travels a well
defined path while the associated wave in the aether passes through
all of the slits.

Are you able to understand in a double slit experiment the C-60 carbon
buckyball moves?

You should be able to understand I see no reason to discuss if there
is, or isn't, an opposite Universal jet if you are unable to
understand in a double slit experiment the C-60 carbon buckyball
moves, correct?

Molecular stuff like C60 can be made to move, and as such it'll cause
a displacement of whatever fills a vacuum. *Actually the Earth-moon L1
is offering a million times better vacuum than anything we can create
here on Earth, but apparently our NASA simply isn't capable of setting
up any such platform or space-station as a physics lab in such a
nearly perfect vacuum.

Are you suggesting that I'm not being truthful or sincere when I say
that I favor the existence of aether?

Not at all. The confusion is when you keep insisting the particle
doesn't move in a double slit experiment. Now, we can have a
discussion on what a photon is, which is not the point right now. I
just wanted to make sure you understood in a double slit experiment
performed with a proton, neutron, atom or molecule the particle
physically moves and has an associated wave in the aether.

Take a look at the image on the right he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnu...f_the_universe

Now, I know you are going to say there is another Universal jet in the
image.

However, I am pointing out that we have no evidence it exists. We also
have no evidence there is a Universal black hole with two polar jets.

What we have evidence of is the Universal jet we exist in.

I'm not saying there is, or isn't an opposite Universal jet, just that
we have no evidence of it.

But we can honestly surmise that it most likely does exist, and
because it's going directly away from us at 'c' is why it or any of
its aether jet flow will never be detected, not to mention the extreme
distance of its molecular universe being hundreds of billions or even
conceivably trillions of light years away from us by now.

For all we know with any objective certainty is that a quantum
singularity particle seems to exist at the time a given wave is
detected, but there's still nothing objectively proving that each
individual wave and its associated particle are one and the very same
as provided by the original source wave and its associated particle,
just like the electron entering one end of any given wire is simply
not the same electron that emerges out or is taken from the other end
of that copper conductor.

Do super-conductors allow their electrons to travel, migrate or
propagate any faster, or slower?

External observation collapses the wave function. Self-observation
achieves isolation for at least 50% of the wave function. Therefore
the wave function remains at most, 50% 'virtual' to non-observers or
non-observation.

First assume 'aether means observation'. If this is true, then anti-
aether can remain 50% 'virtual' until observation. Zero point field
with all its virtual subatomic particles and photons that jump into
existence from apparently nowhere, to return to oblivion nanoseconds
later, can be described by the virtual particles having a potential
obervational rise time of a few nanoseconds, before totally losing
their ability to become 'self-observed'.

Virtual particles represent a collective energy that is released by
all of the subatomic particles in the universe, when they fall back
from their excited state to their energetic ground state (Lamb
Shift).

So why should aether theories postulate that there are no particles
only waves, and only attribute momentum (push) probabilities to
electrons?

The answer would have to point to the electro-gravitic nature of the
aether itself, as the virtual medium in which the PUSH acts against
all mass - mass attracted to the zero point of the aether, the focal
point of the atom, where all mass collapses in on itself at absolute
zero.

If absolute zero exists, it would be a wonderful superconductor of
aether, and the aether waves might therefore be flat, and travel in
straight lines like the e-neutrino and tachyon, and therefore exhibit
the property of zero-point energy-induced particle motion, also by
'reflecting', as on the perfectly still surface of H-O-H, whatever
thermo-induced mass excitations are emitting electrons.

The zero point would then have to act as a fractal attractor, drawing
into it all the electromagnetic waves that can fractally attract
photon energy, while displacing itself through aether micropores, or
the electrons, creating gravity, and even self-awareness, yet all from
a supposed superconducting and background flat wave of zero hertz.

Observation turns the associated wave in the aether into chop.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

On Nov 14, 9:11*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 14, 12:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:











Take a look at the image on the right he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnu...f_the_universe

Now, I know you are going to say there is another Universal jet in the
image.

However, I am pointing out that we have no evidence it exists. We also
have no evidence there is a Universal black hole with two polar jets.

What we have evidence of is the Universal jet we exist in.

I'm not saying there is, or isn't an opposite Universal jet, just that
we have no evidence of it.

But we can honestly surmise that it most likely does exist, and
because it's going directly away from us at 'c' is why it or any of
its aether jet flow will never be detected, not to mention the extreme
distance of its molecular universe being hundreds of billions or even
conceivably trillions of light years away from us by now.

For all we know with any objective certainty is that a quantum
singularity particle seems to exist at the time a given wave is
detected, but there's still nothing objectively proving that each
individual wave and its associated particle are one and the very same
as provided by the original source wave and its associated particle,
just like the electron entering one end of any given wire is simply
not the same electron that emerges out or is taken from the other end
of that copper conductor.

Do super-conductors allow their electrons to travel, migrate or
propagate any faster, or slower?

The C-60 molecule fired at the slits in a double slit experiment is
the same C-60 molecule detected after interacting with the slits. The
C-60 molecule travels a well defined path and the associated wave in
the aether passes through all of the slits.

Do super-conductors allow their electrons to travel, migrate or
propagate any faster, or slower?

On Nov 14, 7:34*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 14, 9:11*am, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 14, 12:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Take a look at the image on the right he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnu...f_the_universe

Now, I know you are going to say there is another Universal jet in the
image.

However, I am pointing out that we have no evidence it exists. We also
have no evidence there is a Universal black hole with two polar jets.

What we have evidence of is the Universal jet we exist in.

I'm not saying there is, or isn't an opposite Universal jet, just that
we have no evidence of it.

But we can honestly surmise that it most likely does exist, and
because it's going directly away from us at 'c' is why it or any of
its aether jet flow will never be detected, not to mention the extreme
distance of its molecular universe being hundreds of billions or even
conceivably trillions of light years away from us by now.

For all we know with any objective certainty is that a quantum
singularity particle seems to exist at the time a given wave is
detected, but there's still nothing objectively proving that each
individual wave and its associated particle are one and the very same
as provided by the original source wave and its associated particle,
just like the electron entering one end of any given wire is simply
not the same electron that emerges out or is taken from the other end
of that copper conductor.

Do super-conductors allow their electrons to travel, migrate or
propagate any faster, or slower?

The C-60 molecule fired at the slits in a double slit experiment is
the same C-60 molecule detected after interacting with the slits. The
C-60 molecule travels a well defined path and the associated wave in
the aether passes through all of the slits.

Do super-conductors allow their electrons to travel, migrate or
propagate any faster, or slower?

I think of Cern and Cern is your answer (faster TreBet